In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org writes:
Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF will withdraw approval for that mission statement and demand it be revised.>>
Then we will elect new Foundation members, which is our right. We'll take the old ones out behind the barn and beat them.
The community drives the rules. The rules do not drive the community. Do you have any other examples of the Foundation actually "demanding" something that the community was against? Or demanding it stop something that the community was for? I can't. This line of attack undermines the community as the ultimate force behind all results. We do not work for the foundation. The foundation works for us.
Will
Yes. Wikinews shall overthrow the foundation board, us and our 40 active users. That would be fun.
-Jon
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:59, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org writes:
Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF will withdraw approval for that mission statement and demand it be revised.>>
Then we will elect new Foundation members, which is our right. We'll take the old ones out behind the barn and beat them.
The community drives the rules. The rules do not drive the community. Do you have any other examples of the Foundation actually "demanding" something that the community was against? Or demanding it stop something that the community was for? I can't. This line of attack undermines the community as the ultimate force behind all results. We do not work for the foundation. The foundation works for us.
Will
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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 14:59 -0500, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org writes:
Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF will withdraw approval for that mission statement and demand it be revised.>>
Then we will elect new Foundation members, which is our right. We'll take the old ones out behind the barn and beat them.
Good luck with that. You're massively outnumbered by the Wikipedians who will find any WMF project running adverts utterly unacceptable.
The community drives the rules. The rules do not drive the community. Do you have any other examples of the Foundation actually "demanding" something that the community was against? Or demanding it stop something that the community was for? I can't. This line of attack undermines the community as the ultimate force behind all results. We do not work for the foundation. The foundation works for us.
Go study up on all the documents relating to the rules, the policies, the mission statements, the whole history and story of the Wikimedia Foundation.
If it existed to serve whatever the hell the community works it would allow members - it doesn't. You know why? To *protect the mission*. That mission is not there for others to exploit for commercial purposes.
And you want an example of where they went against the community? Look at Wikinews and fair use of images. Not only was there little to no consideration of what contributors wanted (which was *within* the law). There were plenty of eager footsoldiers ready to make us live by rules we had little to no say in the formulation of.
I'm staying out of the specifics, but I'll respond to Will's comment, below. The Wikimedia Foundation does not work for the community. The Wikimedia Foundation works to advance the mission. The Wikimedia Foundation has a fiduciary responsibility to the end users of the projects: to the people the projects are intended to serve.
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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 22:30 +0000, Sue Gardner wrote:
I'm staying out of the specifics, but I'll respond to Will's comment, below. The Wikimedia Foundation does not work for the community. The Wikimedia Foundation works to advance the mission. The Wikimedia Foundation has a fiduciary responsibility to the end users of the projects: to the people the projects are intended to serve.
I've Whitelisted Sue's address so there's no further delay if she wants to say something here.
Apologies your message wasn't through sooner Sue, I was busy with the latest email I sent to the list.
I'd hope that settles this issue - as seen from someone who doesn't work for the WMF.
I might even have put forward a good business idea that follows mission guidelines.
Milos is the person on the ground who could see if the idea has merit.
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