I believe that we need to make the Wikinews-hotline archives private, and only available for list members, since technically the incoming voicemails are multi-licensed as CC-BY and Public Domain (voicemail says CC-BY), but nowhere on list archives does it say CC-BY. This would prevent CNN from coming on, seeing an interesting story, and taking it.
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I agree
Jason
Thunderhead wrote:
I believe that we need to make the Wikinews-hotline archives private, and only available for list members, since technically the incoming voicemails are multi-licensed as CC-BY and Public Domain (voicemail says CC-BY), but nowhere on list archives does it say CC-BY. This would prevent CNN from coming on, seeing an interesting story, and taking it.
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I changed the listinfo page (http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-hotline) to mention that the audio postings are licensed CC-BY 2.5.
-ilya
On 11/4/07, Thunderhead wm-thunderhead@charter.net wrote:
I believe that we need to make the Wikinews-hotline archives private, and only available for list members, since technically the incoming voicemails are multi-licensed as CC-BY and Public Domain (voicemail says CC-BY), but nowhere on list archives does it say CC-BY. This would prevent CNN from coming on, seeing an interesting story, and taking it.
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Umm everywhere I read said the things are PD (cough [[Wikinews:Hotline]]. I've uploaded audio recordings to commons from the hotline (nothing recent) as pd after our big license switch.
As a side note, things can't really be multi-licensed PD and cc-by. if something is PD it has no copyright whatsoever.
On 11/4/07, Ilya Haykinson haykinson@gmail.com wrote:
I changed the listinfo page (http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-hotline) to mention that the audio postings are licensed CC-BY 2.5.
-ilya
On 11/4/07, Thunderhead wm-thunderhead@charter.net wrote:
I believe that we need to make the Wikinews-hotline archives private, and only available for list members, since technically the incoming voicemails are multi-licensed as CC-BY and Public Domain (voicemail says CC-BY), but nowhere on list archives does it say CC-BY. This would prevent CNN from coming on, seeing an interesting story, and taking it.
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To be honest, I don't think this is being used as effectively as it could be. The hotline system could do with an overhaul - perhaps new options, etc. This sounds like a job for a wiki-brainstorm though :D
Really what needs to be done imo, is to have a bot sit and upload them to commons as they come in (and sort them on wiki)
-bawolff
On Nov 5, 2007 4:50 AM, Paul Williams paul@skenmy.com wrote:
To be honest, I don't think this is being used as effectively as it could be. The hotline system could do with an overhaul - perhaps new options, etc. This sounds like a job for a wiki-brainstorm though :D _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
That sounds like a good idea; any takers?
On Nov 7, 2007 8:26 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
Really what needs to be done imo, is to have a bot sit and upload them to commons as they come in (and sort them on wiki)
-bawolff
On Nov 5, 2007 4:50 AM, Paul Williams paul@skenmy.com wrote:
To be honest, I don't think this is being used as effectively as it could be. The hotline system could do with an overhaul - perhaps new options, etc. This sounds like a job for a wiki-brainstorm though :D
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Well, I want to start a larger conversation on the Hotline's usefulness. As some of you know I am paying US$25 per month to maintain it, and I don't really think that it's shown $25/month worth of usefulness to us. While there is certainly a great potential for such a hotline, I don't know if it makes sense for us to continue investing our time (and attention) into something that's not really shown itself to be a success.
My proposal would be to completely disable the hotline, due to low use, unless someone can come up with a workable plan for encouraging it's use.
-ilya
On Nov 7, 2007 5:29 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
That sounds like a good idea; any takers?
On Nov 7, 2007 8:26 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
Really what needs to be done imo, is to have a bot sit and upload them to commons as they come in (and sort them on wiki)
-bawolff
On Nov 5, 2007 4:50 AM, Paul Williams paul@skenmy.com wrote:
To be honest, I don't think this is being used as effectively as it could be. The hotline system could do with an overhaul - perhaps new options, etc. This sounds like a job for a wiki-brainstorm though :D
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Have we ever had a useful call to the hotline? I doubt that it will ever become handy.
And perhaps to replace the hotline we create a huge, updated list of contact details on heaps of Wikinews. This could include cellphones to text or call with tips, home phones, Skype account details, etc. How 'bout that?
Regards,
Gabriel Pollard (mr.), Wikinewsie http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Portal:New_Zealand, photographerhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/nzgabriel/, and blogger http://gpollard.wordpress.com/.
On 11/11/07, Ilya Haykinson haykinson@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I want to start a larger conversation on the Hotline's usefulness. As some of you know I am paying US$25 per month to maintain it, and I don't really think that it's shown $25/month worth of usefulness to us. While there is certainly a great potential for such a hotline, I don't know if it makes sense for us to continue investing our time (and attention) into something that's not really shown itself to be a success.
My proposal would be to completely disable the hotline, due to low use, unless someone can come up with a workable plan for encouraging it's use.
-ilya
On Nov 7, 2007 5:29 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
That sounds like a good idea; any takers?
On Nov 7, 2007 8:26 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
Really what needs to be done imo, is to have a bot sit and upload them to commons as they come in (and sort them on wiki)
-bawolff
On Nov 5, 2007 4:50 AM, Paul Williams paul@skenmy.com wrote:
To be honest, I don't think this is being used as effectively as it
could
be. The hotline system could do with an overhaul - perhaps new
options, etc.
This sounds like a job for a wiki-brainstorm though :D
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Ilya is right. While it is a "cool" think to have, It has not been really all that useful. Off the top of my head useful calls to it include: *2 things by MrM (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Wikinews_Hotline_submission_-_December_30%... http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Wikinews_Hotline_submission_-_January_14%2... ) *someone looking for something along the lines of info-en@wikimedia,org (I forwarded their message as an attachment) *Someone reporting vandalism (but by the time the hotline message got read it had been fixed http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Image:Wikinews_hotline_-_May_6%2C_2007.ogg *Whatever was in [[Image:2025511120-0822-222036.ogg]]
The hotline messages that have been useful should be listed at [[Wikinews:Hotline]].
Anyways, ~5 useful (really only 2, and they weren't that useful, as I remember that no one on irc had any idea about basketball, and didn't understand MrM's message, so it ended up sitting there until he came online). Over a period of what a year and a half? is not really that great.
-bawolff On Nov 10, 2007 7:57 PM, Gabriel Pollard nzgabriel@gmail.com wrote:
Have we ever had a useful call to the hotline? I doubt that it will ever become handy.
And perhaps to replace the hotline we create a huge, updated list of contact details on heaps of Wikinews. This could include cellphones to text or call with tips, home phones, Skype account details, etc. How 'bout that?
Regards,
Gabriel Pollard (mr.), Wikinewsie, photographer, and blogger.
On 11/11/07, Ilya Haykinson haykinson@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I want to start a larger conversation on the Hotline's usefulness. As some of you know I am paying US$25 per month to maintain it, and I don't really think that it's shown $25/month worth of usefulness to us. While there is certainly a great potential for such a hotline, I don't know if it makes sense for us to continue investing our time (and attention) into something that's not really shown itself to be a success.
My proposal would be to completely disable the hotline, due to low use, unless someone can come up with a workable plan for encouraging it's use.
-ilya
On Nov 7, 2007 5:29 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
That sounds like a good idea; any takers?
On Nov 7, 2007 8:26 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
Really what needs to be done imo, is to have a bot sit and upload them to commons as they come in (and sort them on wiki)
-bawolff
On Nov 5, 2007 4:50 AM, Paul Williams <paul@skenmy.com > wrote:
To be honest, I don't think this is being used as effectively as it
could
be. The hotline system could do with an overhaul - perhaps new
options, etc.
This sounds like a job for a wiki-brainstorm though :D
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