Dear all,
I've had this idea that I would like to share. Do you know how people can say that Wikipedia is a very popular site because every time they look something up on Google, they see the Wikipedia article among the first links provided? I think that is one of the best proofs of Wikipedia's success, and so I also think we should urgently make it one of our priorities to get Wikinews' stories onto Google News.
Some of them actually get on there already, thanks to 1) other news sites reusing our content and 2) Wikinews Reports, our blog which Jason Safoutin (User:DragonFire1024) got onto Google News. Getting our content stories on popular sites has been tried before, but some attempts failed because the stories needed to get copied manually, which can be time consuming. That when Craig Spurrier (User:Cspurrier) set up this great script at http://thenewswiki.com/, a url he happened to own (apparently that hasn't been updated recently). Another recent improvement has been the site http://www.wikinewsie.org set up by Brian McNeil (User:brianmc).
So you see, we've ended up with 3 different external sites which were set up for 3 different reasons. My idea is to merge these 3 together, as I think this would get all of our news stories on Google News. I think the best way to do it is to set up Craig's script on wikinewsie.org, and move the blog over there too. That way wikinewsie.org would provide not only email addresses for reporters, but also a blog similar to what we have now, and it would get all our stories on Google News.
So, what do we need to get on Google News? I'll tell you: - Reliable information without vandalism. They don't want stuff anyone can edit. However, we can have an approved-versions format, like the German Wikipedia has. This would involve trusted users who could approve of story updates. - The outward appearance of a typical newspaper setup. We need some evidence of a community behind the stories. - original reporting. Google News is a news aggregator itself, so it won't list other aggregators. - Articles in a format google news can aggregate.
Google News refused to list http://thenewswiki.com/ because 1) the site didn't show evidence of a community of journalists and editors, and 2) was in fact an aggregator of stories from Wikinews. We can change that by merging all 3 sites together. That way, we can have a review process for Wikinews articles to ensure quality content, on a site with a community behind it, and in a format that Google can handle. If we want to do this, we need original reporting on wikinewsie.org . This can be achieved if all OR is originally published on that site, and then gets copied onto Wikinews.
I've been told that wikinewsie.org is still being set up, that we shouldn't do this because we wouldn't want to risk what we have now, ... but I think we should, because things would be less scattered, all goals would still be achieved and it would get all of our stories on Google News.
Sorry that this turned out to become such a lengthy post, let me know what you think of my idea! I'll quickly summarise:
1. I think getting all of Wikinews' stories on Google News is a top priority 2. I think we can achieve this goal by merging our Wikinews Reports blog and TheNewsWiki.com into our current reporter site wikinewsie.org.
cheers, User:Stevenfruitsmaak _________________________________________________________________ Deel je gedachten direct met je vrienden http://messenger.live.com
I don't suppose that we could set up a wiki on Wikinewsie.org that is set up with the experimental "FlaggedRevs" extension which would allow us to review articles before final publication.
-- Thunderhead http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Thunderhead http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thunderhead
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---- Steven Fruitsmaak steven_fruitsmaak@hotmail.com wrote:
Dear all,
I've had this idea that I would like to share. Do you know how people can say that Wikipedia is a very popular site because every time they look something up on Google, they see the Wikipedia article among the first links provided? I think that is one of the best proofs of Wikipedia's success, and so I also think we should urgently make it one of our priorities to get Wikinews' stories onto Google News.
Some of them actually get on there already, thanks to 1) other news sites reusing our content and 2) Wikinews Reports, our blog which Jason Safoutin (User:DragonFire1024) got onto Google News. Getting our content stories on popular sites has been tried before, but some attempts failed because the stories needed to get copied manually, which can be time consuming. That when Craig Spurrier (User:Cspurrier) set up this great script at http://thenewswiki.com/, a url he happened to own (apparently that hasn't been updated recently). Another recent improvement has been the site http://www.wikinewsie.org set up by Brian McNeil (User:brianmc).
So you see, we've ended up with 3 different external sites which were set up for 3 different reasons. My idea is to merge these 3 together, as I think this would get all of our news stories on Google News. I think the best way to do it is to set up Craig's script on wikinewsie.org, and move the blog over there too. That way wikinewsie.org would provide not only email addresses for reporters, but also a blog similar to what we have now, and it would get all our stories on Google News.
So, what do we need to get on Google News? I'll tell you:
- Reliable information without vandalism. They don't want stuff anyone can edit. However, we can have an approved-versions format, like the German Wikipedia has. This would involve trusted users who could approve of story updates.
- The outward appearance of a typical newspaper setup. We need some evidence of a community behind the stories.
- original reporting. Google News is a news aggregator itself, so it won't list other aggregators.
- Articles in a format google news can aggregate.
Google News refused to list http://thenewswiki.com/ because 1) the site didn't show evidence of a community of journalists and editors, and 2) was in fact an aggregator of stories from Wikinews. We can change that by merging all 3 sites together. That way, we can have a review process for Wikinews articles to ensure quality content, on a site with a community behind it, and in a format that Google can handle. If we want to do this, we need original reporting on wikinewsie.org . This can be achieved if all OR is originally published on that site, and then gets copied onto Wikinews.
I've been told that wikinewsie.org is still being set up, that we shouldn't do this because we wouldn't want to risk what we have now, ... but I think we should, because things would be less scattered, all goals would still be achieved and it would get all of our stories on Google News.
Sorry that this turned out to become such a lengthy post, let me know what you think of my idea! I'll quickly summarise:
- I think getting all of Wikinews' stories on Google News is a top priority
- I think we can achieve this goal by merging our Wikinews Reports blog and TheNewsWiki.com into our current reporter site wikinewsie.org.
cheers, User:Stevenfruitsmaak _________________________________________________________________ Deel je gedachten direct met je vrienden http://messenger.live.com
Hi,
Why would we need that, Wikinews is our wiki, plus we already have Craig's script which allows you to easily compare changes and update articles.
Steven F> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:49:09 -0700> From: wm-thunderhead@charter.net> To: wikinews-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] My plan for the big push> CC: steven_fruitsmaak@hotmail.com> > I don't suppose that we could set up a wiki on> Wikinewsie.org that is set up with the experimental> "FlaggedRevs" extension which would allow us to review> articles before final publication.> > --> Thunderhead> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Thunderhead%3E http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thunderhead%3E > _______________________________________________ > DISCLAIMER: I hold no official position in the Wikimedia> Foundation. This message expresses the views of a single> Wikimedia user and not necessarily the community at large.> > ---- Steven Fruitsmaak steven_fruitsmaak@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > Dear all,> > > > I've had this idea that I would like to share. Do you know how people can say that Wikipedia is a very popular site because every time they look something up on Google, they see the Wikipedia article among the first links provided? I think that is one of the best proofs of Wikipedia's success, and so I also think we should urgently make it one of our priorities to get Wikinews' stories onto Google News.> > > > Some of them actually get on there already, thanks to 1) other news sites reusing our content and 2) Wikinews Reports, our blog which Jason Safoutin (User:DragonFire1024) got onto Google News. Getting our content stories on popular sites has been tried before, but some attempts failed because the stories needed to get copied manually, which can be time consuming. That when Craig Spurrier (User:Cspurrier) set up this great script at http://thenewswiki.com/, a url he happened to own (apparently that hasn't been updated recently). Another recent improvement has been the site http://www.wikinewsie.org set up by Brian McNeil (User:brianmc).> > > > So you see, we've ended up with 3 different external sites which were set up for 3 different reasons. My idea is to merge these 3 together, as I think this would get all of our news stories on Google News. I think the best way to do it is to set up Craig's script on wikinewsie.org, and move the blog over there too. That way wikinewsie.org would provide not only email addresses for reporters, but also a blog similar to what we have now, and it would get all our stories on Google News.> > > > So, what do we need to get on Google News? I'll tell you:> > - Reliable information without vandalism. They don't want stuff anyone can edit. However, we can have an approved-versions format, like the German Wikipedia has. This would involve trusted users who could approve of story updates.> > - The outward appearance of a typical newspaper setup. We need some evidence of a community behind the stories.> > - original reporting. Google News is a news aggregator itself, so it won't list other aggregators.> > - Articles in a format google news can aggregate.> > > > Google News refused to list http://thenewswiki.com/ because 1) the site didn't show evidence of a community of journalists and editors, and 2) was in fact an aggregator of stories from Wikinews. We can change that by merging all 3 sites together. That way, we can have a review process for Wikinews articles to ensure quality content, on a site with a community behind it, and in a format that Google can handle. If we want to do this, we need original reporting on wikinewsie.org . This can be achieved if all OR is originally published on that site, and then gets copied onto Wikinews.> > > > I've been told that wikinewsie.org is still being set up, that we shouldn't do this because we wouldn't want to risk what we have now, ... but I think we should, because things would be less scattered, all goals would still be achieved and it would get all of our stories on Google News.> > > > Sorry that this turned out to become such a lengthy post, let me know what you think of my idea! I'll quickly summarise:> > > > 1. I think getting all of Wikinews' stories on Google News is a top priority> > 2. I think we can achieve this goal by merging our Wikinews Reports blog and TheNewsWiki.com into our current reporter site wikinewsie.org.> > > > cheers, User:Stevenfruitsmaak> > _________________________________________________________________> > Deel je gedachten direct met je vrienden> > http://messenger.live.com%3E _________________________________________________________________ Start vandaag nog je eigen Windows Live Space en deel je leven met je vrienden http://spaces.live.com
On 28/10/2007, Thunderhead wm-thunderhead@charter.net wrote:
I don't suppose that we could set up a wiki on Wikinewsie.org that is set up with the experimental "FlaggedRevs" extension which would allow us to review articles before final publication.
Aren't stable versions going to integrated into MediaWiki with some extension that is in the works?
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