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by Elias Stahl 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

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Wikinews: New State of the Wiki report
by Erik Moeller 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

I have written a new "State of the Wiki" report about the Wikinews project: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Eloquence/State_of_the_Wiki In this issue: new editions, growth across languages, translations, papal veneration, contests, statistics, automation, original reporting, Wikinews TV, Wikinews Radio, chat, licensing, RSS, content partnerships, the French, and praise and criticism for Wikinews from blogs and established media. If you haven't paid attention to Wikinews in the last two months, if you want to know what's going on in the different language editions, or if you'd like to take a peek into our secret laboratories, I hope you'll give this a read. It's quite long, but also the result of intensive research, including an e-mail survey across the different editions and interviews on IRC. It is hopefully structured in a way that will allow you to skip the parts that don't interest you. Enjoy, Erik

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Maratón de escritura de Wikinoticias
by Ascánder 25 Apr '05

25 Apr '05

Hi, today started the first Wikinews Writing Contest in the Spanish Wikinews, called El Maratón de escritura de Wikinoticias. We choose to set a minimum of three news by week, as most of the participants only write about one news story every week. We also decided to increase the number of articles during the contest if all the remaining contenders agree. We would also like to congratulate the last two contenders of the English Wikinews Writing Contest: Simeon and Alan for their 35 days effort till now. Contest page:*maratón de Wikinoticias*<http://es.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinoticias:Marat%C3%B3n_de_escritura> Ascánder <http://es.wikinews.org/wiki/Usuario:Asc%C3%A1nder>

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Re: Discussion about Images on Wikinews
by Mihai Floran 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

If consider not yet to let all people to upload pictures, may for now only admins to have this posibility. This can be - for now - a good idea to prevent not good pictures to be uploaded. For this, admins can create an special page where to add their email address to which users may send pictures (like gmail or self server) and admins add valid licensed (i mean valid fair use) images. Mike

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Discussion about Images on Wikinews
by Amgine 23 Apr '05

23 Apr '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'd like to open a discussion about non-free image use on Wikinews. A constant issue for en.Wikinews has been the use of logos and press kit images which are not under a free license. For example, on the election of Pope Benedict the Roman Catholic church made many images available to the press through their website, but all are under a non-free license and cannot be uploaded to commons.wikimedia. There is now a single low-resolution graphic available on commons, more than two days after the news event broke, and a further four graphics which are up for deletion. On en we have drawn up proposed policy for dealing with "Fair Use"-type images. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Policies_and_guidelines/Fair_use is a set of simple guidelines regarding Fair Use under U.S. law (where the Wikinews servers are), and is pretty blunt. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Policies_and_guidelines/Image_use_poli… is a set of guidelines for image use on Wikinews, including grants of license (which is when the copyright holder specifically allows Wikinews to use the image.) It's my opinion Wikinews must develop a way to allow Fair Use images, while at the same time encouraging contributors to use their camera phones, digital cameras to provide freely-licensed graphics. The two are not incompatible. Amgine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCaCPDyV5Kyv+4HMYRAt7KAKDRF69QxFYSnNlDEXqFL+Inz/gvBQCg1IH8 h/kW+X9VCrSH+lEDBRim/QU= =nNi/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Wikinews-l] Re: Chinese Wikinews: thoughts
by Anthere 22 Apr '05

22 Apr '05

Craig Franklin <craig(a)halo-17.net> wrote: Scr�obh Eric Moeller: > There has now been a vote, organized by Formulax, among Chinese language > Wikimedians on whether there should be a Chinese Wikinews. I think it's interesting, but I hope that the board would withdraw support for a Wikinews that would have as a central plank of policy, a rule which conflicts with NPOV. Unfortunately, the Chinese government suppressing an NPOV Chinese-language news site is a very real possibility. I think that no zh.wikinews is still a better option than a zh.wikinews that panders to the communist government. -------------- Hello I do not think any of us in the board would support a site which would not follow the neutrality rule. If I had a couple of words to define what is in common with all of our projects, it would be * libre * gratis * unbiaised * community built Any of these four failing would sign the failure of our project ihmo. The first two ones are the only way we can insure that anyone can access the information. Libre information can circulate without restriction. It does not matter very much that some of the content is not free of charge on other websites or on cdroms... what matters is that there is at least one accessible gratis version somewhere, so that financial issues do not become a bottle neck in the access to information. We can be that gratis version. The third one is somehow part of our mission statement. We are not activists (but for the point we all believe knowledge should be freely accessible), we do not support one religion or on political party or whatever. Staying neutral is the best choice for us to prosperate, the best choice for us to be able to work together without to get stuck on philosophical issues, the best choice for anyone reading us to make informed consent and make the best decisions. This might be the hardest point to respect, the hardest to understand, but we should not, ever, agree voluntarily to go on a path where it is so easy to get diverted already. The fourth point... is not only about us all having fun together. The fourth is also a requirement for the number three to get respected. We need to be open and to work together, because it is the only way to get really fully neutral. As soon as we start to give more authority or more rights to a certain group, be it for political reasons, for expertise reasons, we fail in this that we accept a certain view of the world to have more weight than other views. For example, if we start "protecting us" by removing all the people who do not fit in a certain frame, we might very well end up eliminating any editor from african or asian countries, we might end up building a resource for them to use, we might impose them our resource instead of letting them built it. This is why the chinese wikinews stuff is so tricky. If we open it, we might end up either with a closed site, in particular full closing of all wikimedia projects => hence failing in our will to inform anyone If we open it, we might end up with a site agreeing to self-censorship => hence failing in our will to be neutral But if we do not open it, we end up not allowing chinese editors to build up their own resource, we force them to only rely on the english resource for example => hence failing in our will to inform anyone since not all of them understand english. I might also suggest chinese editors to join the english speaking wikinews to ensure balance of views... but again... that requires fluency... At that point, I think it is to the chinese community to decide, because I think they should balance the risk of self censorship to happen, the risk of full closing of project... with the benefit of having their view points better taken into account if they think they are not. A tricky temporary solution might be (if enough chinese are good speaking), that more chinese editors participate to english wikinews, and that an independant website translate en.wikinews in chinese every day. People might scream as I suggest this I suppose :-) But here is what *I* think. And what *I* fear a little bit... Contrarywise to wikipedia, wikinews is much more "localized". The best proof of it is the number of editors who want to build a geographically localised portal page (such as scandinavian wikinews) to inform scandinavian editors. I fear that if we are not careful, wikinews slowly slip from being based on languages to being based on countries or ecoregions. The result of it might be possibly that more and more people focus on their local news... and of course report common local frame of mind. It might be that ... a geographical bias or cultural systemic bias will be much much much stronger on wikinews than any other wikimedia projects. The opposite on the scale being wikicommons. This suggest to me that it could make sense to favor more a few languages where participants of many languages and countries and cultures participate, and then that articles are translated in other languages. At the same time, this is so english-centric that it is scary :-) Anthere __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Chinese Wikinews: board action required
by Craig Franklin 21 Apr '05

21 Apr '05

Scríobh Eric Moeller: > There has now been a vote, organized by Formulax, among Chinese language > Wikimedians on whether there should be a Chinese Wikinews. I think it's interesting, but I hope that the board would withdraw support for a Wikinews that would have as a central plank of policy, a rule which conflicts with NPOV. Unfortunately, the Chinese government suppressing an NPOV Chinese-language news site is a very real possibility. I think that no zh.wikinews is still a better option than a zh.wikinews that panders to the communist government. With that said, what other Chinese-language resources are there on the Internet? I still think that a free, NPOV Chinese-language news site could be a valuable resource, even if it gets blocked within the PRC, for Chinese people living abroad, and in democratic countries where large numbers of people can read the language (Singapore, Taiwan, etc). So, it could still be a useful thing, even if it gets censored within communist China. But a Wikinews in any language that has "exceptions" to NPOV? No thanks! - Craig Franklin ([[en:Lankiveil]]) ------------------- Craig Franklin PO Box 764 Ashgrove, Q, 4060 Australia http://www.halo-17.net - Australia's Favourite Source of Indie Music, Art, and Culture.

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50,000th edit
by Ciaran Gorman 19 Apr '05

19 Apr '05

Just to let everyone know, the English Wikinews today passed 50,000 edits!

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Chinese Wikinews: board action required
by Erik Moeller 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

There has now been a vote, organized by Formulax, among Chinese language Wikimedians on whether there should be a Chinese Wikinews. The results are at: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E6%8A%95%E7%A5%A8/%E7%BB%B4%E5%9F%B… In an amusing demonstration of the problems of voting, there were 13 votes opposed to the project, 13 votes in support, and 1 vote with support only if compromises could be made about NPOV. There was a larger vote earlier on whether this should be up to the global community to decide, or to the Chinese community. That vote was inconclusive, too, with opinions evenly split (50% want it to be a global decision, 50% want it to be a local decision) and very strong expressions of emotions on both sides. We can continue voting until we get a nice result, but I think it would be best now for the board to make a decision about this. My recommendation is a compromise: the project should go ahead under somewhat more rigid conditions (at least 10 support votes with at least 6 of them from Wikimedia regulars PLUS the process at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_language_pre-launch ). We can deal with problems of censorship as they arise. Erik

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Main Page vandalism
by Hoodoo 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

I'm a newbie at WikiNews and am not adept with HTML so pardon any newbie errors I may make in reporting this. I posted the following report on the WikiNews:Vandalism webpage http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Vandalism but when I refresh the webpage I don't see the content I posted listed with the previous vandalism reports. Therefore, I thought I'd also report this matter to this mailing list so that someone more qualified can rectify the vandalism situation. ------------------- On http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page someone created a hovering banner with the text content below. Being a newbie here, and unfamiliar with HTML, I am incapable of dealing with it in some manner. I had to register with the website just to post this notice. Sponsored by ***Ass Pus *** It's not just for breakfast anymore!

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