Hi there, I remember at one point the idea being tossed around that Wikimedia Canada could host materials on wikimedia.ca that are PD in Canada, but not the US.
At [[Commons:Deletion requests/Library and Archives Canada non-PD images]], I think we've discovered such a class of images: photos taken after 1949, whose copyright is either corporate or Crown. In Canada, their copyright expires 50 years after publication, but in the US, since they were not PD in 1996 when the URAA was passed, they won't enter the PD untill 95 years fter publication. I think it'd be nice to host them somewhere for that 45-year gap, since Canadian users would be able to use them, and we would know exactly when they'd be eligible for Commons.
Right now, there are only 4 such images, but clearly there is a huge potential for more materials (especially when you consider things like the NFB). Assuming the 4 images get deleted from Commons, I'm going to throw them up on my Flickr page, with the appropriate copyright notices. However, I just thought I'd say that I'd be interested in working such a Wikimedia-CA project -- and more importantly, if there is enough material to warrant starting such a wiki, in a non-WMF-sanctioned, third-party way, before all the official chapter stuff gets sorted out, I'd be interested in working on that. I'd even be willing to get a domain name (cancommons.ca?) and host it all, if other people were willing to contribute.
Thoughts? Padraic
Hello everyone,
I wonder how Gary knows that the domain is registered to Ray Saintonge? Using some sorts of searches, I presume?
Padraic's idea worth the effort to be explored, but as Andrew had spoken, copyright law is sophisticated in the eyes of laymen.
Regards,
Kevin
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Padraic user.padraic@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there, I remember at one point the idea being tossed around that Wikimedia Canada could host materials on wikimedia.ca that are PD in Canada, but not the US.
At [[Commons:Deletion requests/Library and Archives Canada non-PD images]], I think we've discovered such a class of images: photos taken after 1949, whose copyright is either corporate or Crown. In Canada, their copyright expires 50 years after publication, but in the US, since they were not PD in 1996 when the URAA was passed, they won't enter the PD untill 95 years fter publication. I think it'd be nice to host them somewhere for that 45-year gap, since Canadian users would be able to use them, and we would know exactly when they'd be eligible for Commons.
Right now, there are only 4 such images, but clearly there is a huge potential for more materials (especially when you consider things like the NFB). Assuming the 4 images get deleted from Commons, I'm going to throw them up on my Flickr page, with the appropriate copyright notices. However, I just thought I'd say that I'd be interested in working such a Wikimedia-CA project -- and more importantly, if there is enough material to warrant starting such a wiki, in a non-WMF-sanctioned, third-party way, before all the official chapter stuff gets sorted out, I'd be interested in working on that. I'd even be willing to get a domain name (cancommons.ca?) and host it all, if other people were willing to contribute.
Thoughts? Padraic
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I ran a WHOIS on the domain name. I'm a software engineering focusing primarily on web development, FYI, so if you guys ever need any help... :)
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I wonder how Gary knows that the domain is registered to Ray Saintonge? Using some sorts of searches, I presume?
Padraic's idea worth the effort to be explored, but as Andrew had spoken, copyright law is sophisticated in the eyes of laymen.
Regards,
Kevin
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Padraic user.padraic@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there, I remember at one point the idea being tossed around that Wikimedia Canada could host materials on wikimedia.ca that are PD in Canada, but not the US.
At [[Commons:Deletion requests/Library and Archives Canada non-PD images]], I think we've discovered such a class of images: photos taken after 1949, whose copyright is either corporate or Crown. In Canada, their copyright expires 50 years after publication, but in the US, since they were not PD in 1996 when the URAA was passed, they won't enter the PD untill 95 years fter publication. I think it'd be nice to host them somewhere for that 45-year gap, since Canadian users would be able to use them, and we would know exactly when they'd be eligible for Commons.
Right now, there are only 4 such images, but clearly there is a huge potential for more materials (especially when you consider things like the NFB). Assuming the 4 images get deleted from Commons, I'm going to throw them up on my Flickr page, with the appropriate copyright notices. However, I just thought I'd say that I'd be interested in working such a Wikimedia-CA project -- and more importantly, if there is enough material to warrant starting such a wiki, in a non-WMF-sanctioned, third-party way, before all the official chapter stuff gets sorted out, I'd be interested in working on that. I'd even be willing to get a domain name (cancommons.ca?) and host it all, if other people were willing to contribute.
Thoughts? Padraic
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I guess here's what I'm looking for answers to:
1. Is anybody interested in contributing to this kind of project, or should I just stick to doing it by myself (probably on Flickr)? 2. Would anyone object to my launching a private wiki on the grounds that this could eventually be done by WMC in a more official fashion?
I'll probably send out something on commons-l about this -- but that depends on the answer to #2.
P
2008/5/24 Gary King garyking@gmail.com:
I ran a WHOIS on the domain name. I'm a software engineering focusing primarily on web development, FYI, so if you guys ever need any help... :)
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Kevin T ktsquare@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I wonder how Gary knows that the domain is registered to Ray Saintonge? Using some sorts of searches, I presume?
Padraic's idea worth the effort to be explored, but as Andrew had spoken, copyright law is sophisticated in the eyes of laymen.
Regards,
Kevin
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Padraic user.padraic@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi there, I remember at one point the idea being tossed around that Wikimedia Canada could host materials on wikimedia.ca that are PD in
Canada,
but not the US.
At [[Commons:Deletion requests/Library and Archives Canada non-PD images]], I think we've discovered such a class of images: photos taken after 1949, whose copyright is either corporate or Crown. In Canada,
their
copyright expires 50 years after publication, but in the US, since they
were
not PD in 1996 when the URAA was passed, they won't enter the PD untill
95
years fter publication. I think it'd be nice to host them somewhere for
that
45-year gap, since Canadian users would be able to use them, and we
would
know exactly when they'd be eligible for Commons.
Right now, there are only 4 such images, but clearly there is a huge potential for more materials (especially when you consider things like
the
NFB). Assuming the 4 images get deleted from Commons, I'm going to throw them up on my Flickr page, with the appropriate copyright notices.
However,
I just thought I'd say that I'd be interested in working such a
Wikimedia-CA
project -- and more importantly, if there is enough material to warrant starting such a wiki, in a non-WMF-sanctioned, third-party way, before
all
the official chapter stuff gets sorted out, I'd be interested in working
on
that. I'd even be willing to get a domain name (cancommons.ca?) and
host it
all, if other people were willing to contribute.
Thoughts? Padraic
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Padraic http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Padraic http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Padraic http://wikitravel.org/en/User:Padraic _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca
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On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Padraic user.padraic@gmail.com wrote:
- Is anybody interested in contributing to this kind of project, or should
I just stick to doing it by myself (probably on Flickr)?
I think it's an interesting project, and I'm sure others can see the benefits. That said...
- Would anyone object to my launching a private wiki on the grounds that
this could eventually be done by WMC in a more official fashion?
My feeling here is that the WMF should be involved, as we would really want to integrate this into their infrastructure, from both a user and a maintenance point of view. WM Canada would probably be involved in some way, although since it's still in the starting up stage, it's hard to say what exactly that could be.
I'd definitely solicit input from the Commons crowd, but also touch base with WMF staff, to see if it's something that makes sense.
Gerald.
Would WMF actually want this in their infrastructure? We would be talking about a US-registered organization with US servers hosting material which is copyrighted in the US - and by definition, all these materials could not be used on any existing WMF projects, no? I thought it was all those reasons which made this an idea for a separate WMC project.
Anyways, I'll send out a foundation/commons email shortly.
Padraic
2008/5/25 Gerald A geraldablists@gmail.com:
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Padraic user.padraic@gmail.com wrote:
- Is anybody interested in contributing to this kind of project, or
should I just stick to doing it by myself (probably on Flickr)?
I think it's an interesting project, and I'm sure others can see the benefits. That said...
- Would anyone object to my launching a private wiki on the grounds that
this could eventually be done by WMC in a more official fashion?
My feeling here is that the WMF should be involved, as we would really want to integrate this into their infrastructure, from both a user and a maintenance point of view. WM Canada would probably be involved in some way, although since it's still in the starting up stage, it's hard to say what exactly that could be.
I'd definitely solicit input from the Commons crowd, but also touch base with WMF staff, to see if it's something that makes sense.
Gerald.
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