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Alan Walker

19 Jan 2008 19 Jan '08

11:57 p.m.

I would like to set up a real time meeting with other interested parties is convening a steering committee for setting up Wikimedia Canada. I propose we meet on Wednesday January 30 at 20:00 EST. I will be available on Google Talk at this email address at that time. Anyone interested in discussing with me moving this project forward please make yourself available on google talk at that time. -- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1]

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Casey Brown

20 Jan 20 Jan

1:19 a.m.

Why don't you have this meeting on the IRC channel? It is #wikimedia-ca on Freenode. On 1/19/08, Alan Walker <fastalan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Andrew Leung

3:51 a.m.

Besides, very little people use Google Talk. MSN is much more convenient than others. Andrew

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:19:21 -0500> From: cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Moving forward> > Why don't you have this meeting on the IRC channel? It is> #wikimedia-ca on Freenode.> > On 1/19/08, Alan Walker <fastalan(a)gmail.com> wrote:> > I would like to set up a real time meeting with other interested parties is> > convening a steering committee for setting up Wikimedia Canada. I propose> > we meet on Wednesday January 30 at 20:00 EST. I will be available on Google> > Talk at this email address at that time. Anyone interested in discussing> > with me moving this project forward please make yourself available on google> > talk at that time.> >> > --> > View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn> > [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1]> > _______________________________________________> > Wikimedia-ca mailing list> > Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca> >> >> > > -- > Casey Brown> Cbrown1023> > ---> Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to> this address will probably get lost.> > _______________________________________________> Wikimedia-ca mailing list> Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca

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mike.doherty

4:09 p.m.

Please use IRC. I will try to remember to be online at that time. Mike _____ From: Andrew Leung [mailto:andrewcleung@hotmail.com] Sent: January 19, 2008 11:51 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Moving forward Besides, very little people use Google Talk. MSN is much more convenient than others. Andrew _____

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:19:21 -0500 From: cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Moving forward Why don't you have this meeting on the IRC channel? It is #wikimedia-ca on Freenode. On 1/19/08, Alan Walker <fastalan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to set up a real time meeting with other interested parties

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> convening a steering committee for setting up Wikimedia Canada. I

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> we meet on Wednesday January 30 at 20:00 EST. I will be available on

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talk at that time. -- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1] _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca

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Alan Walker

4:17 p.m.

As I am trying to host a meeting to move forward, I would like to chair this meeting. I am not an administrator of the IRC channel and would therefore prefer to host the meeting in a real time chat program. I prefer to use google talk as it tends to be more generous with cutting and pasting text. On 20/01/2008, mike.doherty <mike.lifeguard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Please use IRC. I will try to remember to be online at that time. Mike ------------------------------ *From:* Andrew Leung [mailto:andrewcleung@hotmail.com] *Sent:* January 19, 2008 11:51 PM *To:* Wikimedia Canada planning list *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Moving forward Besides, very little people use Google Talk. MSN is much more convenient than others. Andrew ------------------------------

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> convening a steering committee for setting up Wikimedia Canada. I

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Casey Brown

5:26 p.m.

You really don't need to be an op to chair a meeting, but if it is needed, I am sure that that can be arranged in time. I can see why you would like to use gtalk, but all the people who have responded so far think another venue would be easier. It's also fairly easy to copy IRc logs. On 1/20/08, Alan Walker <fastalan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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parties is

> convening a steering committee for setting up Wikimedia Canada. I

propose

> we meet on Wednesday January 30 at 20:00 EST. I will be available on

Google

> Talk at this email address at that time. Anyone interested in

discussing

> with me moving this project forward please make yourself available on

google

-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails

sent to

------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-ca mailing list Wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-ca

-- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1]

-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

Mitchell

5:28 p.m.

I could probably op you on #wikimedia-ca if you would like. Besides, IRC seems to be the standard Wikimedia real-time communication method. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alan Walker Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:18 AM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Moving forward As I am trying to host a meeting to move forward, I would like to chair this meeting. I am not an administrator of the IRC channel and would therefore prefer to host the meeting in a real time chat program. I prefer to use google talk as it tends to be more generous with cutting and pasting text. On 20/01/2008, mike.doherty <mike.lifeguard(a)gmail.com> wrote: Please use IRC. I will try to remember to be online at that time. Mike _____ From: Andrew Leung [mailto:andrewcleung@hotmail.com] Sent: January 19, 2008 11:51 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Moving forward Besides, very little people use Google Talk. MSN is much more convenient than others. Andrew _____

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> convening a steering committee for setting up Wikimedia Canada. I

propose

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> we meet on Wednesday January 30 at 20:00 EST. I will be available on

Google

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> Talk at this email address at that time. Anyone interested in discussing > with me moving this project forward please make yourself available on

google

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-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent

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Gerald A

7:24 p.m.

First, let me say, I'm glad to see some renewed interest in this. On Jan 20, 2008 12:28 PM, Mitchell <mduce(a)mts.net> wrote:

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I could probably op you on #wikimedia-ca if you would like. Besides, IRC seems to be the standard Wikimedia real-time communication method.

I'll agree with this -- IRC is the defacto "real time" communication method at this point in time, so the potential audience will be bigger if the meeting is held there. Thanks, Gerald

Evan Prodromou

7:32 p.m.

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 22:51 -0500, Andrew Leung wrote:

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Besides, very little people use Google Talk. MSN is much more convenient than others.

I don't think we could pick a better illustration for the problems with Wikimedia Canada than this little conversation. We've spent the last few years squabbling over this kind of trivial detail, and it's exactly what has kept us from making this chapter happen. On January 30th at 20h EST, I'll be on Google Talk _and_ in IRC at #wikimedia-ca, and on any other IM network that needs someone on it. -Evan ________________________________________________________________________

Ray Saintonge

21 Jan 21 Jan

11:52 a.m.

Evan Prodromou wrote:

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On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 22:51 -0500, Andrew Leung wrote:

Besides, very little people use Google Talk. MSN is much more convenient than others.

Not really; people have been too silent about this to squabble. Good specific proposals have been made by various persons, but serious commentary and discussion has been remarkably absent. For me drafting by-laws is relatively easy, but if we are going to build an organisation that attaches great importance on free and open participation then people are just going to have to participate responsibly. The price that one pays for a participatory system is participation. That means more than hoping that a panic-born chat room conversation will bring a quick fix. Ec

Mitchell

20 Jan 20 Jan

7:49 p.m.

For anyone on IRC, please see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Canada/Meeting/2008-01-30 . ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alan Walker Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:58 PM To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] Moving forward I would like to set up a real time meeting with other interested parties is convening a steering committee for setting up Wikimedia Canada. I propose we meet on Wednesday January 30 at 20:00 EST. I will be available on Google Talk at this email address at that time. Anyone interested in discussing with me moving this project forward please make yourself available on google talk at that time. -- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1]

Alan Walker

7:53 p.m.

Mitch and I are currently talking on IRC about how to refactor the project page and organize the effort. As for the January 30 meeting, I don't see any harm in having it on IRC. Mitch has prepared a by-law proposal that I am attempting to get some feedback about from the Chapter Committee on Meta. I am confident that we can make this work. Alan Walker

Ray Saintonge

21 Jan 21 Jan

11:37 a.m.

Alan Walker wrote:

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I'm glad to see people come to life! I generally don't participate in chat rooms, and I don't see enough reason to start now. Pages have been set up on Meta to handle these matters, and it would be very much preferred if criticisms and suggestions about proposed by-laws be put there in the interest of transparency. A chat room does not lend itself to the kind of thoughtful discussion that such a thing requires. Ec

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Alan Walker
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