I thank everyone for their interests and suggestions. I would like to thank Mitch for writing the bylaw, which was wonderful. I have talked to Alan and we agreed to have an informal meeting with everyone interested in Wikimedia Canada (WMCA) on coming Wednesday (Jan. 23) at 8pm EST on Google Talk (unless we can get a private IRC channel). The purpose of this informal meeting is to let everyone know what's going on at the moment as well as things that we should read to prepare for Jan. 30's official meeting. As for committee positions, I suggest that we need a translator who can translate the information into french. And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. I would like to be secretary for the committee. I was a participant in the establishment of Wikimedia Hong Kong (WMHK) so I have some understanding in forming local WM chapters. Andrew Leung (OhanaUnited) From: mduce(a)mts.netTo: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:51:09 -0600Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee Maybe a couple “Members at Large” also? ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message-----From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alan WalkerSent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:35 PMTo: Wikimedia Canada planning listSubject: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee At the January 30, 2008 meeting I would like to discuss the formation of a steering committee. The purpose of this committee will be to manage the project of forming the Wikimedia Canada charity. This committee will remain in place for up to 3 years or until the WMC charity is formed and a board is elected. Any suggestions on what positions should exist on this committee, please feel free to comment here on the list serv as it will make the meeting more efficient. I propose we need: 1. Chairperson2. Vice-chair person3. Treasurer 4. Secretary (Organizes meetings, communicates results, maintains record of meetings)5. Legal adviser (Conducts research on legal issues relating to committee activities and goals) -- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1] _________________________________________________________________

I never been to #wikimedia-ca channel. As long as the channel participants are discussing about WMCA and not about something else (ie "Can you block this vandal?"), I'm fine with IRC. Andrew From: mduce(a)mts.netTo: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:08:46 -0600Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee For the private IRC channel, I could arrange for the IRC channel #wikimedia-ca to be private, though there is really no need. Personally, I would prefer that it is in IRC as that is the Wikimedia standard. I would be happy to op a member of the steering committee if needed. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message-----From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeungSent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:02 PMTo: Wikimedia Canada planning listSubject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I thank everyone for their interests and suggestions. I would like to thank Mitch for writing the bylaw, which was wonderful. I have talked to Alan and we agreed to have an informal meeting with everyone interested in Wikimedia Canada (WMCA) on coming Wednesday (Jan. 23) at 8pm EST on Google Talk (unless we can get a private IRC channel). The purpose of this informal meeting is to let everyone know what's going on at the moment as well as things that we should read to prepare for Jan. 30's official meeting. As for committee positions, I suggest that we need a translator who can translate the information into french. And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. I would like to be secretary for the committee. I was a participant in the establishment of Wikimedia Hong Kong (WMHK) so I have some understanding in forming local WM chapters. Andrew Leung (OhanaUnited) _________________________________________________________________

I haven't used IRC for quite a few years. What program would you recommend me to use? Andrew From: mduce(a)mts.netTo: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:15:29 -0600Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee Yep, the channel is for WMCA purposes only. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message-----From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeungSent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:12 PMTo: Wikimedia Canada planning listSubject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I never been to #wikimedia-ca channel. As long as the channel participants are discussing about WMCA and not about something else (ie "Can you block this vandal?"), I'm fine with IRC. Andrew From: mduce(a)mts.netTo: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:08:46 -0600Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee For the private IRC channel, I could arrange for the IRC channel #wikimedia-ca to be private, though there is really no need. Personally, I would prefer that it is in IRC as that is the Wikimedia standard. I would be happy to op a member of the steering committee if needed. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message-----From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeungSent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:02 PMTo: Wikimedia Canada planning listSubject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I thank everyone for their interests and suggestions. I would like to thank Mitch for writing the bylaw, which was wonderful. I have talked to Alan and we agreed to have an informal meeting with everyone interested in Wikimedia Canada (WMCA) on coming Wednesday (Jan. 23) at 8pm EST on Google Talk (unless we can get a private IRC channel). The purpose of this informal meeting is to let everyone know what's going on at the moment as well as things that we should read to prepare for Jan. 30's official meeting. As for committee positions, I suggest that we need a translator who can translate the information into french. And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. I would like to be secretary for the committee. I was a participant in the establishment of Wikimedia Hong Kong (WMHK) so I have some understanding in forming local WM chapters. Andrew Leung (OhanaUnited) _________________________________________________________________

Damn it. Am I the only person that still use IE? I don't want to install Firefox just to use ChatZilla. Anyways, any suggestion for IE user? Andrew From: mduce(a)mts.netTo: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:31:39 -0600Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I’ve always been a Firefox user and I use the “ChatZilla” Firefox extension. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16) ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message-----From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeungSent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:26 PMTo: Wikimedia Canada planning listSubject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I haven't used IRC for quite a few years. What program would you recommend me to use? Andrew From: mduce(a)mts.netTo: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:15:29 -0600Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee Yep, the channel is for WMCA purposes only. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message-----From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeungSent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:12 PMTo: Wikimedia Canada planning listSubject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I never been to #wikimedia-ca channel. As long as the channel participants are discussing about WMCA and not about something else (ie "Can you block this vandal?"), I'm fine with IRC. Andrew From: mduce(a)mts.netTo: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.orgDate: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:08:46 -0600Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee For the private IRC channel, I could arrange for the IRC channel #wikimedia-ca to be private, though there is really no need. Personally, I would prefer that it is in IRC as that is the Wikimedia standard. I would be happy to op a member of the steering committee if needed. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message-----From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew LeungSent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:02 PMTo: Wikimedia Canada planning listSubject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I thank everyone for their interests and suggestions. I would like to thank Mitch for writing the bylaw, which was wonderful. I have talked to Alan and we agreed to have an informal meeting with everyone interested in Wikimedia Canada (WMCA) on coming Wednesday (Jan. 23) at 8pm EST on Google Talk (unless we can get a private IRC channel). The purpose of this informal meeting is to let everyone know what's going on at the moment as well as things that we should read to prepare for Jan. 30's official meeting. As for committee positions, I suggest that we need a translator who can translate the information into french. And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. I would like to be secretary for the committee. I was a participant in the establishment of Wikimedia Hong Kong (WMHK) so I have some understanding in forming local WM chapters. Andrew Leung (OhanaUnited) _________________________________________________________________

I've heard of people happy with mIRC, though it costs $20. Another client that I've heard a bit about is Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com <http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/> ). It works for IRC, MSN, ICQ, AIM, etc. Though I HIGHLY recommend that you make the switch to Firefox. It's worth it! ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Leung Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:43 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee Damn it. Am I the only person that still use IE? I don't want to install Firefox just to use ChatZilla. Anyways, any suggestion for IE user? Andrew _____ From: mduce(a)mts.net To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:31:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I've always been a Firefox user and I use the "ChatZilla" Firefox extension. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16) ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Leung Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:26 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I haven't used IRC for quite a few years. What program would you recommend me to use? Andrew _____ From: mduce(a)mts.net To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:15:29 -0600 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee Yep, the channel is for WMCA purposes only. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Leung Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:12 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I never been to #wikimedia-ca channel. As long as the channel participants are discussing about WMCA and not about something else (ie "Can you block this vandal?"), I'm fine with IRC. Andrew _____ From: mduce(a)mts.net To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:08:46 -0600 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee For the private IRC channel, I could arrange for the IRC channel #wikimedia-ca to be private, though there is really no need. Personally, I would prefer that it is in IRC as that is the Wikimedia standard. I would be happy to op a member of the steering committee if needed. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Leung Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:02 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I thank everyone for their interests and suggestions. I would like to thank Mitch for writing the bylaw, which was wonderful. I have talked to Alan and we agreed to have an informal meeting with everyone interested in Wikimedia Canada (WMCA) on coming Wednesday (Jan. 23) at 8pm EST on Google Talk (unless we can get a private IRC channel). The purpose of this informal meeting is to let everyone know what's going on at the moment as well as things that we should read to prepare for Jan. 30's official meeting. As for committee positions, I suggest that we need a translator who can translate the information into french. And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. I would like to be secretary for the committee. I was a participant in the establishment of Wikimedia Hong Kong (WMHK) so I have some understanding in forming local WM chapters. Andrew Leung (OhanaUnited) <http://> _____ <http://> _____ <http://> _____

From: Mitchell &lt;mduce(a)mts.net&gt; My IRC client of choice is HydraIRC <http://www.hydrairc.com/>, which is also free and open-source. Since it's a standalone client dedicated solely to IRC it's got a lot of functionality. Anyway, I think I can make it to an IRC meeting on Wednesday, but I don't have a Google account or any instant messengers - I'm not a big fan of chat forums that you need to subscribe to (aside from mailing lists, obviously :). I'll get the proper accounts and subscriptions and specialized clients and whatnot if I have to but I'd prefer to cast my vote for IRC too.

I don't understand what the problem is with using IRC. This isn't top-secret; we don't need a private channel. #wikimedia-ca is *for exactly this sort of thing* As a last resort, I can attempt translation to French. And I do mean last resort. Mike _____ From: Andrew Leung [mailto:andrewcleung@hotmail.com] Sent: January 20, 2008 9:02 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee I thank everyone for their interests and suggestions. I would like to thank Mitch for writing the bylaw, which was wonderful. I have talked to Alan and we agreed to have an informal meeting with everyone interested in Wikimedia Canada (WMCA) on coming Wednesday (Jan. 23) at 8pm EST on Google Talk (unless we can get a private IRC channel). The purpose of this informal meeting is to let everyone know what's going on at the moment as well as things that we should read to prepare for Jan. 30's official meeting. As for committee positions, I suggest that we need a translator who can translate the information into french. And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. I would like to be secretary for the committee. I was a participant in the establishment of Wikimedia Hong Kong (WMHK) so I have some understanding in forming local WM chapters. Andrew Leung (OhanaUnited) _____ From: mduce(a)mts.net To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:51:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee Maybe a couple "Members at Large" also? ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alan Walker Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:35 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee At the January 30, 2008 meeting I would like to discuss the formation of a steering committee. The purpose of this committee will be to manage the project of forming the Wikimedia Canada charity. This committee will remain in place for up to 3 years or until the WMC charity is formed and a board is elected. Any suggestions on what positions should exist on this committee, please feel free to comment here on the list serv as it will make the meeting more efficient. I propose we need: 1. Chairperson 2. Vice-chair person 3. Treasurer 4. Secretary (Organizes meetings, communicates results, maintains record of meetings) 5. Legal adviser (Conducts research on legal issues relating to committee activities and goals) -- View Alan Walker's profile on LinkedIn [http://www.linkedin.com/in/walker1] _____

On Jan 20, 2008 8:02 PM, Andrew Leung &lt;andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: I too would like to thank Mitch, and anyone else that participated in this. The bylaw authorship is a hard thing to do, but a definate necessity to proceed. As for committee positions, I suggest that we need a translator who can I have the names of a few excellent volunteers that translated stuff for us in the past. Once the bylaws are completed and we have agreement in principle, I'll ping them to get that pushed over. Just to clarify -- I'm not sure what legal requirement this refers to; the steering committee is ad-hoc and has no legal basis -- it would be the nonprofit that evolves out of this that may have some legal restrictions for board positions. Thanks, Gerald.

My thoughts exactly. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerald A Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:38 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee <snip> On Jan 20, 2008 8:02 PM, Andrew Leung &lt;andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. Just to clarify -- I'm not sure what legal requirement this refers to; the steering committee is ad-hoc and has no legal basis -- it would be the nonprofit that evolves out of this that may have some legal restrictions for board positions. Thanks, Gerald. </snip>

What is the provisional committee? Like, the Board of Directors or something? ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Leung Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:44 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee Sorry, I mixed up between steering committee and provisional committee (though eventually the steering committee will be shifted to provisional committee) Andrew _____ From: mduce(a)mts.net To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:42:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee My thoughts exactly. ____________________ Mitch D. (Greeves on all English Wikimedia projects) -----Original Message----- From: wikimedia-ca-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-ca-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerald A Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:38 PM To: Wikimedia Canada planning list Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee <snip> On Jan 20, 2008 8:02 PM, Andrew Leung &lt;andrewcleung(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: And as a gentle reminder, the age for individuals running for steering committee should be 18 or above, due to legal requirements. Just to clarify -- I'm not sure what legal requirement this refers to; the steering committee is ad-hoc and has no legal basis -- it would be the nonprofit that evolves out of this that may have some legal restrictions for board positions. Thanks, Gerald. </snip> _____

On Jan 20, 2008 9:47 PM, Mitchell &lt;mduce(a)mts.net&gt; wrote: I'm unsure what a provisional committee would be, but if it would be something like the board of directors, let's cut out the middle words and call it that. I'm assuming that the steering committee is here to organize and incorporate the WM Canada chapter. If so, then the successor to the steering committee should be that body. Let's try and keep things simple and focused. Thanks, Gerald.

Andrew Leung wrote: I have added a link to another vision of the by-laws which was not mentioned in Mitch's proposed agenda. What makes the meeting official? Les traductions sont belles, mais s'il n'y a personne pour les faire il ne faut pas que cet détail empèche notre progrès. La loi permet qu'on se sert d'une seul langue. Bien entendu, il est préférable d'avoir les deux. S'il faut la deuxième peut-être ajoutée plus tard Let's not fill these positions prematurely. One big difficulty is bringing people in Canada together over a huge geographical area. You did not have that problem in Hong Kong. Ec

Just a quick reminder. An prepatory meeting will take place on tonight at 8pm EST. Andrew (OhanaUnited) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:00:32 -0500 From: geraldablists(a)gmail.com To: wikimedia-ca(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-Canada] Steering committee On Jan 21, 2008 7:22 AM, Ray Saintonge &lt;saintonge(a)telus.net&gt; wrote: Andrew Leung wrote: What makes the meeting official? The way I read it, the Jan 30th meeting is intended to bring together people to set out a timeline for getting WM Canada formed, and is being widely advertised. The meeting this week is more informal, to get some feedback and do some prepatory planning. Les traductions sont belles, mais s'il n'y a personne pour les faire il ne faut pas que cet détail empèche notre progrès. La loi permet qu'on se sert d'une seul langue. Bien entendu, il est préférable d'avoir les deux. S'il faut la deuxième peut-être ajoutée plus tard While I agree that it shouldn't impede our legal formation, we need to make sure everyone feels included in WM Canada, paticularly any French-only speakers. Since we have a few volunteers for this stuff, I don't think translation should be too much of a hurdle on wiki. What might be more difficult is IRC meets, but we can cross that bridge when the time comes. Let's not fill these positions prematurely. One big difficulty is bringing people in Canada together over a huge geographical area. You did not have that problem in Hong Kong. In due course, we'll have proper elections once the legal body is formed. Let's not put the cart before the horse, however, and discourage people from becoming involved. The steering committee will be an ad-hoc body, and it's goal is the founding of WM Canada. Anyone who is willing and able to help in this goal should be welcomed Thanks, Gerald. _________________________________________________________________

On Jan 23, 2008 10:05 AM, Mitchell &lt;mduce(a)mts.net&gt; wrote: Todays is the "informal" planning session, whereas I take it next week will be the more formal meeting. Thanks, Gerald

Same channel as the official meeting next week (#wikimedia-ca). We don't need different channels for the informal session and the official meeting. Andrew _________________________________________________________________