Again, the number is negotiable.  We shouldn't make it too high, but not too low either as so that it's easy to run out of things to do.  Maybe ten articles is more doable?

Josh

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________________________________ From: Ganesh Paudel gpaudel@gmail.com To: Asian Wikimedia Chapters coordination wikimedia-asia-chapters@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: cfranklin@halonetwork.net Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-asia-chapters] Odp: Fwd: Re: Wikipedia Cultural Exchange Programme

Dear all, I like the idea of working with Wiki articles. But let's begin with small number. 20 seems to be very big number. Also let's outline and make a framework on how do we outline articles and how to work.

Best, Ganesh Paudel Nepal

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM, jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com wrote:

Do each of those languages have a Wikipedia? List composition is left to the national editing communities to decide: they can either make a national list, or make a longer list which combines individual languages' lists. (By language, I mean a Wikipedia which will participate in the program. If, let's say, Konkani or Assamese doesn't want to participate, they are free to do so, but they cannot contribute to the list of articles participating in the program.)

Josh

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Hi, while I wasn't party to the original conversation,  I do have my doubts about this project and its scope in India. We have 20 officially recognised languages in our country. Each. Language has an associated culture with it with is unique.  Could be quite a headache.

Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender.

Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer.  On Aug 13, 2013 3:51 PM, "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:

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I was going to suggest something even more modest and have one article per country/language/wiki.  If we can do that minimum successfully then next time we can aim for a higher goal. Cheers, Craig On 12/08/2013 8:08 PM, "Jack LEE" jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:

Hi,

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On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.

On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.

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Hi All,

Now I'm back from Hong Kong, I've had a chance to think a little further about this, and I really think that we ought to consider basing it upon one article per *language*, rather than by country. Each Wikipedia should decide for itself if it wants to participate, and if they do then they get to suggest one article for translation. That way, if all 22 official languages of India wish to participate, then they can, because there'll be 22 times as many volunteers! This way minority languages can also get involved if they wish to, which will be an important consideration perhaps in places like Indonesia and New Guinea which enjoy much language diversity. If it's a success with the modest total of one article per language, then we can think of compiling a list of 20 articles per language for an expanded second round.

I'm not entirely sure how this would work for countries like mine which have their own culture but not their own language, perhaps we just suggest an Australia related article already in English Wikipedia and translate that to all others. I envision we would promote this as a chapter project in my country, but this will not be feasible for many other Asian countries which do not yet have their own chapters or thematic orgs.

What does everyone think?

Cheers, Craig Franklin

On 14 August 2013 17:34, ksaka98 ksaka98@gmail.com wrote:

In my opinion,

We start to select one or two articles per lang or country for first step.

At the end of this program, translation should be finished. Because editors would expect articles to be read in another lang wikis. The fact that articles of your culture, which you edit, Spread out to many of asian wikipedias would encourage local editors.

Listing articles in scale of 20 per lang and/or country grows list of hanreds of articles on asia. If 10 of local wp joins this programme, create 10 article, 100 articles would be created on enwp. Then each wp translate 100 article to their lang. It's not actual number to do, especially smaller wikis. We want more local wikis to join.

Listing would be another program to do. Listing up would be possible. It will be a kind of Asian version of "List of articles every Wikipedia should have". All articles should be created in future.

If we setelct one or two articles, each lang wp community need one or two user who can translate articles from each lang wiki to enwp. they translate only one or two articles.

From enwp to each lang wiki, more translator is needed. But translation from en to each lang is easier than each lang to en.

Articles should be important and familier for each community. It would be local, regional, wellknown cultural thing or person. So that each community can easily edit the article, people can join to wikipedia project, and also easy to search sources which satisfies WP:V and WP:N.

Member of chapters or Mailing list will be able to select articles for his/her home wiki. Asking community is better.

In my opinion, articles of literatures, musics, or dramas are suitable. Those things are connected to lang or region. For example, Suwignyo Adi(Java) is not created article in enwp, Sin Sisamuth(Khmer), Thongchai McIntyre(Thai) need citation.

Some chapters can challenge edit-thon, or outreach event for GLAMs, cultural facilities, specialist goup, or overseas workers and/or students with this program.

Ks aka 98 (from jawp)

2013/8/14 Josh Lim jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com

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Again, the number is negotiable. We shouldn't make it too high, but not too low either as so that it's easy to run out of things to do. Maybe ten articles is more doable?

Josh

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Dear all, I like the idea of working with Wiki articles. But let's begin with small number. 20 seems to be very big number. Also let's outline and make a framework on how do we outline articles and how to work.

Best, Ganesh Paudel Nepal

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM, jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com < jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do each of those languages have a Wikipedia? List composition is left to the national editing communities to decide: they can either make a national list, or make a longer list which combines individual languages' lists. (By language, I mean a Wikipedia which will participate in the program. If, let's say, Konkani or Assamese doesn't want to participate, they are free to do so, but they cannot contribute to the list of articles participating in the program.)

Josh

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Hi, while I wasn't party to the original conversation, I do have my doubts about this project and its scope in India. We have 20 officially recognised languages in our country. Each. Language has an associated culture with it with is unique. Could be quite a headache. Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Aug 13, 2013 3:51 PM, "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:

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I was going to suggest something even more modest and have one article per country/language/wiki. If we can do that minimum successfully then next time we can aim for a higher goal. Cheers, Craig On 12/08/2013 8:08 PM, "Jack LEE" jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:

Hi,

On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.

On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.

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Hi,

I have mentioned in the meeting last Saturday, that we put it on a randomizer (lottery) : http://www.random.org/.

Section A: For Endemic Languages

Each country will suggest 5 A to B-class articles related to their country (like cultural or non-political event, local personality, place, endemic flora/fauna) in English language. From all articles deposited, the randomizer will select 1 article per week and it will run for 10 weeks (2 and a half months). That 1 article should be a A class article at the end of the week for each language. Each country must work on a minimum of 1 local language and maximum of 5 local languages.

Section B: For English language dominated countries

Each Asia Pacific country must submit 5 stub to C-Class articles related to their country (like cultural or non-political event, local personality, place, endemic flora/fauna) in English language. From all articles deposited, the randomizer will select 1 article per week and it will run for 10 weeks (2 and a half months). That 1 article should be a A class article at the end of the week in English language.

Butch

On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < srik.ramk@wikimedia.in> wrote:

Josh, some languages are still in the incubator, while most have their own Wikipedia. A list of the currently available languages [Indian] are here: http://live.wikimedia.in/

On a related note, I have mentioned this collaboration on the talk page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Lilavati%27s_Daughters_Edit-a-thon

Perhaps, this might help in some large scale collaboration.

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:38 PM, jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com < jamesjoshualim@yahoo.com> wrote:

...

Do each of those languages have a Wikipedia? List composition is left to the national editing communities to decide: they can either make a national list, or make a longer list which combines individual languages' lists. (By language, I mean a Wikipedia which will participate in the program. If, let's say, Konkani or Assamese doesn't want to participate, they are free to do so, but they cannot contribute to the list of articles participating in the program.)

Josh

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Hi, while I wasn't party to the original conversation, I do have my doubts about this project and its scope in India. We have 20 officially recognised languages in our country. Each. Language has an associated culture with it with is unique. Could be quite a headache.

Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender.

Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Aug 13, 2013 3:51 PM, "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:

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I was going to suggest something even more modest and have one article per country/language/wiki. If we can do that minimum successfully then next time we can aim for a higher goal.

Cheers, Craig On 12/08/2013 8:08 PM, "Jack LEE" jacklee@smu.edu.sg wrote:

...

Hi,

On the list archives -- OK, though honestly I'm not sure whether I'm prepared to plow through all the archives.

On the cultural exchange programme -- 20 articles per country seems really ambitious, especially if the point was to have some tangible results within three months. I mean, let's say only China, South Korea and the Philippines nominate 20 articles each. That means our friend from Israel who offered to translate these articles for the Hebrew Wikipedia will have 60 articles to translate. I would suggest about two to three articles for a start, and no more than five per country. Finish these first, and then nominate some more.

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Hi everyone,

I've done a rough draft of a table we could use to keep progress at - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Asia_Project/Cultural_Content_Excha...

After starting to do this table, I realised how much work would be involved with (say) 10+ articles - so I've just used three on that page. Pending further discussion of course.

I just want to emphasise that everything in that table is an *example* - I'm not trying to choose topics for the Chinese Wikipedia or anything along those lines - in fact they are very bad choices as I had to choose ones that already existed in the English Wikipedia!

Of course, feel free to edit if you have a better system!

Regards,

Charles

I like the small number but the larger the number the more flexible it will be for issues like raised in point 1, but then I suspect that those issues are already covered in more than one language even if under differing titles. One of the aspects as yet fulfilled of the Freopedia projecthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Freois article translation, I have been discussing this with various places about promoting this a means of complimentary learning with secondary language classes, and as part of promoting the community's multi-cultural base by bringing together all members to share their language/culture

gideon

On 19 August 2013 18:33, 梁忠明 sprconan@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, everyone.

Sorry for my English proficiency - I used about 3 days to read all emails here.

I am not a participant of this dialogue until now. As I am concerned about the scheme, I am here to voice about my opinions about it.

First, I will talk about the listing issue. Josh had stated that wiki communities in Asia can either submit a country list or a language list of article for collaboration/translation. I think the issue can be controversial:

1. If we choose to submit a country list, then only those

cultural/biological things which are known nationwide is to be promoted. Regional cultures will fall apart. Also, listing by country may trigger some political debates about the sovereignty of some places - I will stop here and provide no more explanations. You know that. 2. Though a list by language maybe a better option, I can still find some problems - take Mainland China as a example. When Cantonese, Wu dialect and Zhuang language have their own Wikipedia, some dialects still don't have their Wikipedia (e.g. Hunan dialect and Manchu language). Then some regional culture will be promoted, when others don't. It seems that some regional cultures will be privileged in this circumstance. Also, how about those commonalities of these regional cultures (e.g. Hinduism, Buddhism, Chinese culture)? I remember Craig has said that doing this will bring more volunteer for us. I had think for that - How will we coordinate and arrange their work/duties? How can we administrate a user group with a numbers of members? I once talk with another Chinese Wikipedian during the Wikimania, and we agreed that more volunteers can make a big task (e.g. improve/create articles in Wikipedia; in this case, our scheme) easier to finish, but also a potential source of controversies and debates.

I don't have a firm stance for which option should be adopted. I just think that each regional communities can adopt either one based on their actual situation. Maybe some will submit a national list, some will submit article lists by languages - that's okay, no problem.

For the number of articles for collaboration per 3 month - in my viewpoint

• 12-13 is already enough - one per week. Each community should nominate 10

articles per country or 2-3 articles per language# for collaboration. For other arrangements, I agree the merged suggestion mentioned by Josh. I don't know how the work efficiency of our colleagues is. Nevertheless, I just want to remind all that we should not overestimate our actual ability.

Though Francis, our colleague from Hong Kong suggested that we can choose the weekly article by counting the clickthrough rates, but I think that's not good - do we prefer choosing an article randomly or by its time order/controversial nature?

For the topic, Nature, climate, culture and customs are acceptable. Transportation, water supply and electric network can also be a topic - e.g. the article *Cebu Bus Rapid Transit* has not being updated for a year (until when I was read for the last time). Some may say that comparing with nature and culture, these topic is more related to the politics. But I'll say it's not like that - even the government of each country in Asia should have its policy about the nature and culture! But of course, political topics are to be avoided (and administrative unit also?).

Up to now, I still think that the scheme can be operated with the assistance of the corresponding Wikiprojects and COTW projects in the participating Wikipedias. They provide volunteers and resources, as well as the list of articles which is waiting to be improved. Well-developed Wikiprojects can also provide manpower. Though, I still doubt that will it able to build momentum for the Wikiprojects/COTW project's future development.

One last thing. I don't think that we should be too optimistic to comment it as something which can surely connect the knowledge related to all region/countries in Asia. As we have discussed before, Each Wikipedian community is free to join or quit the program. Then, we cannot ignore the reality that not every community is willing to do so. Also, have we inform our colleagues from Central Asia, Middle East or Vietnam? If they are not informed, then the things go on. Though more Wikipedias' participation of the program means we may have the chance to achieve more, not all communities is looking forward, especially the smaller ones - as the manpower and resources they have is not enough to maintain such a commitment for the scheme.

That's my opinion, and thank you to read for it. Feel free to discuss about that.

Cheers, Kevin (known as Spring Roll Conan in Wikimedia projects)

#: National community may submit lists in several regional languages (eg. Hindi, Tamil, Malayalam... for India, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese... for Indonesia). If 10 per language, the work we have to do will be heavy, thus I suggest to reduce the number for the nominated articles per language to pursue a more modest quantity of works we have to do.

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Hope to be like that - but, how about my questions? Is it going to be unsolved? Therefore, I kindly ask all of you to read and discuss about my question/comment, make a consensus upon that and set down the rules formally within this week.

Best wishes, Kevin.

2013/8/22 Roman Bustria Jr. bustrias@gmail.com

Hello,

I encourage everyone to provide inputs and hopefully agree with the rules by August 31 and start editing on September 1 00:00 UTC.

Butch

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:

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I like the small number but the larger the number the more flexible it will be for issues like raised in point 1, but then I suspect that those issues are already covered in more than one language even if under differing titles. One of the aspects as yet fulfilled of the Freopedia project http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Freo is article translation, I have been discussing this with various places about promoting this a means of complimentary learning with secondary language classes, and as part of promoting the community's multi-cultural base by bringing together all members to share their language/culture

gideon

On 19 August 2013 18:33, 梁忠明 sprconan@gmail.com wrote:

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Hi, everyone.

Sorry for my English proficiency - I used about 3 days to read all emails here.

I am not a participant of this dialogue until now. As I am concerned about the scheme, I am here to voice about my opinions about it.

First, I will talk about the listing issue. Josh had stated that wiki communities in Asia can either submit a country list or a language list of article for collaboration/translation. I think the issue can be controversial:

1. If we choose to submit a country list, then only those

cultural/biological things which are known nationwide is to be promoted. Regional cultures will fall apart. Also, listing by country may trigger some political debates about the sovereignty of some places - I will stop here and provide no more explanations. You know that. 2. Though a list by language maybe a better option, I can still find some problems - take Mainland China as a example. When Cantonese, Wu dialect and Zhuang language have their own Wikipedia, some dialects still don't have their Wikipedia (e.g. Hunan dialect and Manchu language). Then some regional culture will be promoted, when others don't. It seems that some regional cultures will be privileged in this circumstance. Also, how about those commonalities of these regional cultures (e.g. Hinduism, Buddhism, Chinese culture)? I remember Craig has said that doing this will bring more volunteer for us. I had think for that - How will we coordinate and arrange their work/duties? How can we administrate a user group with a numbers of members? I once talk with another Chinese Wikipedian during the Wikimania, and we agreed that more volunteers can make a big task (e.g. improve/create articles in Wikipedia; in this case, our scheme) easier to finish, but also a potential source of controversies and debates.

I don't have a firm stance for which option should be adopted. I just think that each regional communities can adopt either one based on their actual situation. Maybe some will submit a national list, some will submit article lists by languages - that's okay, no problem.

For the number of articles for collaboration per 3 month - in my viewpoint - 12-13 is already enough - one per week. Each community should nominate 10 articles per country or 2-3 articles per language# for collaboration. For other arrangements, I agree the merged suggestion mentioned by Josh. I don't know how the work efficiency of our colleagues is. Nevertheless, I just want to remind all that we should not overestimate our actual ability.

Though Francis, our colleague from Hong Kong suggested that we can choose the weekly article by counting the clickthrough rates, but I think that's not good - do we prefer choosing an article randomly or by its time order/controversial nature?

For the topic, Nature, climate, culture and customs are acceptable. Transportation, water supply and electric network can also be a topic - e.g. the article *Cebu Bus Rapid Transit* has not being updated for a year (until when I was read for the last time). Some may say that comparing with nature and culture, these topic is more related to the politics. But I'll say it's not like that - even the government of each country in Asia should have its policy about the nature and culture! But of course, political topics are to be avoided (and administrative unit also?).

Up to now, I still think that the scheme can be operated with the assistance of the corresponding Wikiprojects and COTW projects in the participating Wikipedias. They provide volunteers and resources, as well as the list of articles which is waiting to be improved. Well-developed Wikiprojects can also provide manpower. Though, I still doubt that will it able to build momentum for the Wikiprojects/COTW project's future development.

One last thing. I don't think that we should be too optimistic to comment it as something which can surely connect the knowledge related to all region/countries in Asia. As we have discussed before, Each Wikipedian community is free to join or quit the program. Then, we cannot ignore the reality that not every community is willing to do so. Also, have we inform our colleagues from Central Asia, Middle East or Vietnam? If they are not informed, then the things go on. Though more Wikipedias' participation of the program means we may have the chance to achieve more, not all communities is looking forward, especially the smaller ones - as the manpower and resources they have is not enough to maintain such a commitment for the scheme.

That's my opinion, and thank you to read for it. Feel free to discuss about that.

Cheers, Kevin (known as Spring Roll Conan in Wikimedia projects)

#: National community may submit lists in several regional languages (eg. Hindi, Tamil, Malayalam... for India, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese... for Indonesia). If 10 per language, the work we have to do will be heavy, thus I suggest to reduce the number for the nominated articles per language to pursue a more modest quantity of works we have to do.

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My opinion would be that "power supply" or topics related to the economic aspects of an Asian country would definitely be within the scope of this project, if that is what the language community feels is important to share.

Cheers, Craig

On 22 August 2013 21:02, 梁忠明 sprconan@gmail.com wrote:

I have to made a amendment to my comment - power supply may not be a suitable topic - I almost forget the rule which Josh set down. I can't think of something which can link power supply and cultural heritage. But I can still link water supply and transportation with culture - In China, we have the ancient irrigation system of Dujiangyan. Ancient Chinese do business with people from Asians, and even Europeans. The overland and maritime Silk Road served as the route of transportation for the merchants.

Cheers,

2013/8/19 梁忠明 sprconan@gmail.com

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Hi, everyone.

Sorry for my English proficiency - I used about 3 days to read all emails here.

I am not a participant of this dialogue until now. As I am concerned about the scheme, I am here to voice about my opinions about it.

First, I will talk about the listing issue. Josh had stated that wiki communities in Asia can either submit a country list or a language list of article for collaboration/translation. I think the issue can be controversial:

1. If we choose to submit a country list, then only those

cultural/biological things which are known nationwide is to be promoted. Regional cultures will fall apart. Also, listing by country may trigger some political debates about the sovereignty of some places - I will stop here and provide no more explanations. You know that. 2. Though a list by language maybe a better option, I can still find some problems - take Mainland China as a example. When Cantonese, Wu dialect and Zhuang language have their own Wikipedia, some dialects still don't have their Wikipedia (e.g. Hunan dialect and Manchu language). Then some regional culture will be promoted, when others don't. It seems that some regional cultures will be privileged in this circumstance. Also, how about those commonalities of these regional cultures (e.g. Hinduism, Buddhism, Chinese culture)? I remember Craig has said that doing this will bring more volunteer for us. I had think for that - How will we coordinate and arrange their work/duties? How can we administrate a user group with a numbers of members? I once talk with another Chinese Wikipedian during the Wikimania, and we agreed that more volunteers can make a big task (e.g. improve/create articles in Wikipedia; in this case, our scheme) easier to finish, but also a potential source of controversies and debates.

I don't have a firm stance for which option should be adopted. I just think that each regional communities can adopt either one based on their actual situation. Maybe some will submit a national list, some will submit article lists by languages - that's okay, no problem.

For the number of articles for collaboration per 3 month - in my viewpoint - 12-13 is already enough - one per week. Each community should nominate 10 articles per country or 2-3 articles per language# for collaboration. For other arrangements, I agree the merged suggestion mentioned by Josh. I don't know how the work efficiency of our colleagues is. Nevertheless, I just want to remind all that we should not overestimate our actual ability.

Though Francis, our colleague from Hong Kong suggested that we can choose the weekly article by counting the clickthrough rates, but I think that's not good - do we prefer choosing an article randomly or by its time order/controversial nature?

For the topic, Nature, climate, culture and customs are acceptable. Transportation, water supply and electric network can also be a topic - e.g. the article *Cebu Bus Rapid Transit* has not being updated for a year (until when I was read for the last time). Some may say that comparing with nature and culture, these topic is more related to the politics. But I'll say it's not like that - even the government of each country in Asia should have its policy about the nature and culture! But of course, political topics are to be avoided (and administrative unit also?).

Up to now, I still think that the scheme can be operated with the assistance of the corresponding Wikiprojects and COTW projects in the participating Wikipedias. They provide volunteers and resources, as well as the list of articles which is waiting to be improved. Well-developed Wikiprojects can also provide manpower. Though, I still doubt that will it able to build momentum for the Wikiprojects/COTW project's future development.

One last thing. I don't think that we should be too optimistic to comment it as something which can surely connect the knowledge related to all region/countries in Asia. As we have discussed before, Each Wikipedian community is free to join or quit the program. Then, we cannot ignore the reality that not every community is willing to do so. Also, have we inform our colleagues from Central Asia, Middle East or Vietnam? If they are not informed, then the things go on. Though more Wikipedias' participation of the program means we may have the chance to achieve more, not all communities is looking forward, especially the smaller ones - as the manpower and resources they have is not enough to maintain such a commitment for the scheme.

That's my opinion, and thank you to read for it. Feel free to discuss about that.

Cheers, Kevin (known as Spring Roll Conan in Wikimedia projects)

#: National community may submit lists in several regional languages (eg. Hindi, Tamil, Malayalam... for India, Indonesian, Javanese, Sundanese... for Indonesia). If 10 per language, the work we have to do will be heavy, thus I suggest to reduce the number for the nominated articles per language to pursue a more modest quantity of works we have to do.

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