Yes, But I would like to keep what relevant in place. I don't think inviting the whole WMF board is necessary nor productive. For example Example; personally I think Bishaka would definitely need to be there (India), but is Phoebe relevant? This is Asian chapter's meeting, I don't remember WMID voting for Phoebe for chapter's seat (for example) nor the organization find it necessary of her being there. If WMHK and WMAU wanted to invite her relevant to their GLAM project (for example) then she need to be there. Since this is a focus on us, (another example), I don't even think inviting Mike Godwin is necessary. So I'm just focusing on who need to be there and who doesn't. Otherwise it would be a waste of resources both for us (time) and theirs (time and money). -- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052 ~~~~ Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi

*How Asian chapters will help jumpstart other Asian chapters, as what was agreed upon in Berlin last April (the second point requires then that we invite people who are not necessarily from chapters, but are interested in setting up chapters in their respective home countries)

Why don't you create a page on meta, under the Wikimedia Asia Project? It is hard for me to follow such a long essay. Btw, I got something from cyberport, they can only sponsor us maximum $10,000 euros for the venue, catering and accommodation in cyberport. So I think we might leave the chance to the wikimania 2012 or chapters meeting 2011. Cheers, Morgan Sent from my iPhone

What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania

Agreed - it would need to be an agreement between the participating chapters as Wikimedia Asia is more trademark than entity. Each chapter would then contribute and participate only to the extent to which it could justify agreeing in terms of its national priorities / funds and people available / etc. What sometimes works in Australia (I don't know how this works in other countries) is that sometimes if you can persuade some government body (usually at state level) that there is a benefit to them in the country hosting the international conference, their tourism department may come up with a grant which may cover part or all of the expenses. This was factored into the Brisbane bid for Wikimania a couple of years ago, as well as prospective bids from other cities which never progressed beyond the idea stage. kindest regards Andrew

Hi Siska (and all), I'd say it should be in HK or Singapore as they're the "hub" cities of transport in South East Asia, whereas everyone has a minimum 4 hour flying time if it was held in Perth, or 7 hours if east coast. (I'd love to say "bring it to Perth!" but I am the only active chapter member in this city and that's not likely to change soon... plus I know an objective comparison of costs would make any major Asian city better value for money.) As Singapore doesn't have a chapter it makes more sense to host it where there is local support. Re personal funds - I can see the argument you're making, although it's sometimes the case that a chapter might have different (i.e. local) priorities for its cash and its board members, while free to go to an event, have to find their own cash to do so. When we (Australians) went to Berlin we each booked a few extra days on our own time (additionally to what was granted to us) so we could see the sights after the conclusion of the meeting. I believe other board members have on other occasions paid their own way to events attended on behalf of the chapter. kindest regards Andrew On 9 August 2010 20:45, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id>wrote;wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters

Richard from NYC said we are welcome to hold it in New York, he has a good place in Chinatown. I did wonder why we want to go all the way to New York and end up in China, though. He said because it is Asian chapter's meeting. He is being respectful. But I think he's just jealous, because we - peasant chapters - get together and he's not invited. * grin * -- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052 ~~~~ Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters

Josh, This is personal - from resources point of view - of what WMID may or may not able to accommodate Personally, I don't think it is wise that WMID help in here. WMID, as an organization in Indonesia, is not strong yet, like one of those stewardess inside the flight that say " give your oxygen to the adult passenger first before you are helping the baby." We don't want both (mother and the baby) die because we don't have priority on who is to be safe first. This may sound mean, so be it. It's easy for the European to say this because for what I see from Florence's email about chapter's finances, most of their resources (money) are underspent. If members of WMID have more time in their hands, or even IF WMID have more members, I would be focusing to build their capacity first, as member of a strong organization - before they jump to another boat with unclear situation and advising things that they are not sure how to do themselve. The rest of your points - I think we should start wiki - before it get lost. -- Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia Ph. +62 816 484 5052 ~~~~ Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list Wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters

It would be great if two Asian wmf board members can come. I know Barry is responsible for chapters. And Kul helps us a lot on Asia affairs. Both of them can be invited too. Cheers, Morgan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2010, at 12:56, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote: > Yes, > But I would like to keep what relevant in place. I don't think > inviting the whole WMF board is necessary nor productive. For example > Example; personally I think Bishaka would definitely need to be there > (India), but is Phoebe relevant? This is Asian chapter's meeting, I > don't remember WMID voting for Phoebe for chapter's seat (for example) > nor the organization find it necessary of her being there. If WMHK and > WMAU wanted to invite her relevant to their GLAM project (for example) > then she need to be there. > > Since this is a focus on us, (another example), I don't even think > inviting Mike Godwin is necessary. > > So I'm just focusing on who need to be there and who doesn't. > Otherwise it would be a waste of resources both for us (time) and > theirs (time and money). > > -- > Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia > Ph. +62 816 484 5052 > ~~~~ > Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: > http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Morgan Chan <morgand536(a)wikimedia.hk> wrote: >> If somebody is WMF staff or board, WMF can support them finically and what we have to do is ask them. So it has no limitation on no. >> >> Cheers, >> Morgan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:12, Siska Doviana <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote: >> >>> Oops, >>> I forgot, if we do want to go forward and do a Asian chapters meeting >>> - we will need Erik Zachte to be there. You can not plan without >>> numbers and he has that. >>> >>> And any other persons that may be a good addition - that anyone here >>> can think of? >>> >>> -- >>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia >>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052 >>> ~~~~ >>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Siska Doviana >>> <siska.doviana(a)wikimedia.or.id> wrote: >>>> Ted, >>>> Thank you for the perspective, I still remember Anirudh saying how the >>>> Wikimania in Taipei is the "cleanest" (meaning the most organized) - >>>> and he was saying that after Argentine (so I was drawing a conclusion >>>> here). >>>> >>>> Morgan, >>>> I have no doubt you can deliver, I kept saying the opposite here that >>>> (may) sound discouraging because I know for a fact that the European >>>> is paying (most of it), and for them, unlike Wikimania, they see >>>> chapter's meeting as "business meeting" instead of "fun/ vacation/ >>>> wikimania" type. Sure WMF people wants to go to Hong Kong, I would >>>> too, I mean my last experience in the German Embassy for schengen visa >>>> is a bit traumatic compare to Hong Kong "walk in" no visa required. >>>> >>>> What I meant to say is this, if you do have energy to spent, focused >>>> on the Asian chapter's meeting. It seem like a mutual agreement >>>> already - not just venue, not just transport, you don't even have to >>>> worry about sponsors - even if you bill the whole thing to WMF and >>>> insist: "We need this, we need a good facilitators too - consultant >>>> for non profit - a three day training identifying what our weakness >>>> is, what our strength - how we can push the movement together - the >>>> Asian way - how we can fill each other's weaknesses" - everyone would >>>> say - YES - let them meet - they need to push forward in synergy. >>>> >>>> I even thought about hiring Indonesian best facilitators for this, >>>> surely they will not bill in Euros. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Siska Doviana | Pendiri (Co-Founder) | Wikimedia Indonesia >>>> Ph. +62 816 484 5052 >>>> ~~~~ >>>> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan: >>>> http://wikimedia.or.id/wiki/Wikimedia_Indonesia:Donasi >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >>> Wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters mailing list >> Wikimedia-asia-chapters(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-asia-chapters