Hi y'all, Yes, as you say if a depict a *place* you may could say so, but not an *area*, an area is a concept too wide (both theoretically and practically) to be depicted (ant it's not really useful as the place should connected to the area on the Wikidata side). For your example, a photo can maybe depict Uluru (or at least part of it) but it can't depict the whole Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park. Plus, SDC is just at the begginings, so it sounds like a good advice to recommend to participants to do what we know well for now (espacially as most participants will never even be aware there or what is depict statements). That said, meanwhile and internally, we can still think together to the best way to store data on SDC (and not just P180) about protected area and come up with recommendation for next year. Cheers, ~nicolas Le dim. 28 avr. 2019 à 16:17, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)wikimedia.org.au> a écrit :

In the case Uluru it does depict the whole protected area it's instantly recognisable. People dont talk about going to Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park they say they are going to Uluru... Uluru itself very much depicts the Uluṟu-Kata Tjuṯa National Park. Likwise the Pinnicles depicts Nambung National Park and the thrombolites depict Yalgorup National Park...... Maybe it's a linguistic difference in the way in which Australians speak english, to be brutally honest Uluru also depicts Australia at least to Australians, equally so a Kangaroo might more so than the coat hanger or dish rack in Sydney Maybe like monuments the nuances of meanings are being lost in translation, maybe this discussion has stumbled into the subtleties of why even on en.wikipedia we have en-au, en-us,, en-ca and other tags to explain and embrace these because one size doesnt fit all with english. Depicts is jumping into the world of Incongraphy where images have symbolic means beyond the image, they project culture, knowledge, history, and connection to a place. As a universal language english isnt as universal as its made out to be. On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 07:27, effe iets anders &lt;effeietsanders(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Gideon Digby Vice President - Wikimedia Australia M: 0434 986 852 gnangarra(a)wikimedia.org.au http://wikimedia.org.au Wikimedia Australia Inc. is an independent charitable organisation which supports the efforts of the Wikimedia Foundation in Australia. Your donations keep the Wikimedia mission alive. *http://wikimedia.org.au/Donate <https://wikimedia.org.au/Donate>*

Le jeu. 2 mai 2019 à 15:42, Jean-Philippe Béland &lt;jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca&gt; a écrit : Yes, exactly JP. This is more how the way P180 has been used in the last 7 years. We don't have a property for 'symbolizes' (which is utterly different from P180), it could be useful but anyway, it would be more for Wikidata data than for Commons data (query can infer it latter if needed). As for the WLE contest, in the very unlikely event where someone ask about Commons data, I would still think it's recommend not to use an item about the place and not an item about the protected area in the property P180. Cheers, ~nicolas