LDan wrote:
>Cool! Thanks, Brion. Is it possible to do the same for
>http://www.wikiquote.org/ ?
He would have if he had access to the admin interface to manage those domain
names. Only Jason and Jimbo have the username and password info for those
domains so far.
--mav
>I like that logo. I think that you should put the new
Wikipedia logo on the cover once it is chosen
tomorrow.
That's a good idea!
>
>There's nothing wrong with the organic chemistry book,
but don't you think it's a bit narcissistic to say
that you have the best organic chemistry textbook on
the web? I think you should change it to something
like the best wiki-produced organic chemistry
textbook, or aspires to be the best organic chemistry
textbook on the web. There is probably a finished
organic chemistry textbook on the web, sorry.
I disagree. I think you're trying to be NPOV which isn't really necessary on
wikibooks. The title may be a bit grand at the moment but once it starts
getting edited by a number of contributors it will soon become the best.
>PS. Can you move your organic chemistry pages to the
Organic chemistry: namespace?
Have namespaces been definitely decided on as the way to go? Because I've
been naming pages on GCSE science "foobar (GCSE science)".
Theresa
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Jimbo wrote: Yes, NPOV *is* necessary on wikibooks.
(After thinking about it) Yeah you're right, it is of course necessary to be
NPOV in the modules. However I still think it's ok to put self congratulary
phrases on title pages of books. People expect to see that sort of thing. It
makes the pages that follow look exiting.
We could go the way of Carlseburg lager and insert the word probably.
"Welcome to 'blah blah blah' Probably the finest book you'll ever read on
this subject."
Theresa
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/9/27/143215/356
This article is in the moderation queue now, it seems to be doing well
and will likely post fairly soon so people who aren't signed in can see
it.
Might be a good place to plug Wikibooks; I posted a link in reply to a
mention of Wikipedia.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
KNOTT, T wrote:
>LDan wrote:
>I like that logo. I think that you should put the new
>Wikipedia logo on the cover once it is chosen
>tomorrow.
>
>That's a good idea!
No - that would be a bad idea since we ain't Wikipedia! If anything it would
be the yet to be created Wikimedia logo but I still like the concept in the
Staff lounge better.
-- mav
>Also I would like to change the page layout for some select
>pages, like the splash page opener for organic chemistry (
>http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Organic_chemistry ). The repeat
>links at the top of the page just for these main book pages
>could be eliminated and the search box moved to the side.
>That would allow the page title to go top and center on the
>page and give viewers a better view of the page without
>scrolling down. What does anyone else think ?
I don't think it's strictly necessary to do that. The title pages are, at
the moment designed in a similar way to an ordinary book cover page. But
books are usually portrait. Monitors on the other hand are landscape. I
think a redesign taking this into account would be better.
Theresa
I went ahead and uploaded a newer logo for the page site ..
its not good enough to be permanent but I think its
prettier than the previous one. If anyone has an idea what
would be a nice picture to put on the cover, and what color
scheme would be nice, I could hopefully make one that we
could keep long-term. I shouldn't let my degree in graphid
design go totally to pot I guess.
Also I would like to change the page layout for some select
pages, like the splash page opener for organic chemistry (
http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Organic_chemistry ). The repeat
links at the top of the page just for these main book pages
could be eliminated and the search box moved to the side.
That would allow the page title to go top and center on the
page and give viewers a better view of the page without
scrolling down. What does anyone else think ?
-Karl
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Should work as a direct canonical URL now... the updates may not have
made it through to everyone, so I haven't made the old URL into a
redirect just yet; both textbooks.wikipedia.org and wikibooks.org should
access it directly.
I've also set up WikiBooks as an interwiki prefix on all the wikimedia
wikis, it uses the new address.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion wrote:
>Should work as a direct canonical URL now...
>the updates may not have made it through to
>everyone, so I haven't made the old URL into
>a redirect just yet; both textbooks.wikipedia.org
>and wikibooks.org should access it directly.
>
>I've also set up WikiBooks as an interwiki
>prefix on all the wikimedia wikis, it uses the
>new address.
Sweet! Thanks Brion!
--mav
I agree. Although it would be nice to get new contributors, we should wait
until we get at least one book relatively finished.
A quick question from a brit ? Is K12 high school? I'm currently working on
a science textbook based around the UK science syllabus for kids aged 14-16
I wonder I some of my pages can be adapted by someone for the US and the
rest of the world.
Theresa
-----Original Message-----
From: Sanford Forte [mailto:siforte@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: 16 September 2003 21:59
To: Wikimedia textbook discussion
Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] NYT article on textbook prices
Yes. This has been a problem for years. It's like skimming cream off the top
for college textbook publishers. Also, K-12 publishers are just as greedy.
We need to get the K-12 project going. Believe me, once we create a
*quality* K-12 book, based on strict state framework standards (ideally,
California, because that would make, by far, the biggest impact), we could
revolutionize the whole textbook creation and adoption process. University
books are also ripe for reform, but they are really less of a challenge than
the K-12 sector. The K-12 publishers really have a stranglehold on the
books, the pricing, and the process. Millions of kids, parents, and
teachers - and our society - lose in this antiquated process.
Before sending anything to Slashdot, as Karl suggests, I think it would
behoove us to get something substantial underway, or have something
finished. Otherwise, it's just empty promises.
Here are some more links to an excellent series (expose) in K-12 books that
was done about 8 months ago in the San Jose Mercury News. Additionally, an
excellent piece from Forbes.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/4743883.htmhttp://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/living/education/4749572.htmhttp://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/living/education/4756801.htmhttp://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/1030/6612178a_print.html
Best,
Sanford
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Ehrenberg" <littledanehren(a)yahoo.com>
To: "Wikimedia textbook discussion" <textbook-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Textbook-l] NYT article on textbook prices
>
> --- Karl Wick <karlwick(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This was on the front page of my local paper this
> > morning:
> >
> > "When Books Break the Bank"
> >
> >
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/16/nyregion/16BOOK.html?pagewanted=all&positi
on=
> >
> > An article about outrageous textbook prices and the
> > things
> > that students are doing to avoid paying them. (No
> > mention
> > of our site unfortunately).
> >
> > I saw old NYT articles on Sept 11 archived on the
> > main
> > wikipedia .. could we do that with this one, put the
> > text
> > on Wikibooks ?
>
> I'm sorry to say this, but no Wikibooks book is
> anywhere near usable quality, especially in a college
> environment.
> LDan
>
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