Dear Wikimedia mailing list admins,
As you may have heard, we will be upgrading the mailing list software to Mailman 3, which is a full rewrite, fixing lots of long standing issues, especially around security. A short list of improvements:
* One user account (no more monthly password reminder emails or list passwords) * Ability to search through archives * Posting through a web interface * A web interface that doesn't look like its from the early 2000s
For the most part, if you just send and receive mail from the list, nothing dramatic will change.
A test installation is available at https://lists-next.wikimedia.org/ if you'd like to take a look now (all data will eventually be deleted). We can import your list into the test system so you can look around the new interfaces, make sure settings were migrated correctly and archives display correctly.
We're still finalizing the exact dates, but we may start migrating mailing lists starting next week. They'll be migrated in batches, starting with lists with no archives, and then going by size of archive and # of subscribers. Expect very big/old lists (wikimedia-l, wikitech-l, etc.) to go last. We plan to send a notification to the list admins when we start migrating the list and once it's finished.
We will need help from list admins to make this go smoothly.
* If your list is obsolete or should be archived, please add "[OBSOLETE]" or "[ARCHIVED]" to the list description and we'll take care of the rest. * Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins are (either usernames, email addresses, etc.) * If you'd like to volunteer your list to go early, let us know. * On the other hand, if you think your list needs special handling and should go later, let us know as well. * It is our intention to have all mailing lists be publicly listed, please let us know if you have a reason that the existence of your list should be kept private. * If you've lost track of all the lists you're responsible for, we can look it up for you :) * The canonical URL of your mailing list will change. If you link to your mailing list in help pages, templates, etc. You should update it after migration. For example https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ (we expect to provide redirects). * For public archives, we will ensure that archive links will not break. For private lists, we do not intend to support old archive URLs - if this is a big issue for you, please let us know.
There's probably stuff we missed to mention, if you have questions, concerns, comments, please let us know on this list or #wikimedia-tech on IRC.
For tracking the work see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280322
Thanks, Amir (Ladsgroup) and Kunal (Legoktm)
Hello.
The OTRS mailing lists have to be renamed from ...otrs... to ...vrt... at some not yet defined time.
It may make sense to do this with the migration to mailman3. Please feel free to contact me for coordination.
Thank you.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 05:05:59PM -0700, Kunal Mehta wrote:
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:05:59 -0700 From: Kunal Mehta legoktm@debian.org To: listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed Reply-To: "List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org" listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 7da0cd7c-b3d3-533f-455a-78677f163533@debian.org
Dear Wikimedia mailing list admins,
As you may have heard, we will be upgrading the mailing list software to Mailman 3, which is a full rewrite, fixing lots of long standing issues, especially around security. A short list of improvements:
- One user account (no more monthly password reminder emails or list
passwords)
- Ability to search through archives
- Posting through a web interface
- A web interface that doesn't look like its from the early 2000s
For the most part, if you just send and receive mail from the list, nothing dramatic will change.
A test installation is available at https://lists-next.wikimedia.org/ if you'd like to take a look now (all data will eventually be deleted). We can import your list into the test system so you can look around the new interfaces, make sure settings were migrated correctly and archives display correctly.
We're still finalizing the exact dates, but we may start migrating mailing lists starting next week. They'll be migrated in batches, starting with lists with no archives, and then going by size of archive and # of subscribers. Expect very big/old lists (wikimedia-l, wikitech-l, etc.) to go last. We plan to send a notification to the list admins when we start migrating the list and once it's finished.
We will need help from list admins to make this go smoothly.
- If your list is obsolete or should be archived, please add "[OBSOLETE]" or
"[ARCHIVED]" to the list description and we'll take care of the rest.
- Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins are
(either usernames, email addresses, etc.)
- If you'd like to volunteer your list to go early, let us know.
- On the other hand, if you think your list needs special handling and
should go later, let us know as well.
- It is our intention to have all mailing lists be publicly listed, please
let us know if you have a reason that the existence of your list should be kept private.
- If you've lost track of all the lists you're responsible for, we can look
it up for you :)
- The canonical URL of your mailing list will change. If you link to your
mailing list in help pages, templates, etc. You should update it after migration. For example https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ (we expect to provide redirects).
- For public archives, we will ensure that archive links will not break. For
private lists, we do not intend to support old archive URLs - if this is a big issue for you, please let us know.
There's probably stuff we missed to mention, if you have questions, concerns, comments, please let us know on this list or #wikimedia-tech on IRC.
For tracking the work see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280322
Thanks, Amir (Ladsgroup) and Kunal (Legoktm)
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
Hello.
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 07:58:51AM +0200, Patrick Rother wrote:
The OTRS mailing lists have to be renamed from ...otrs... to ...vrt... at some not yet defined time.
It may make sense to do this with the migration to mailman3. Please feel free to contact me for coordination.
Regarding the daily article mailing list, if there is no objection I think we should disable and delete the archive, as it is of no real use.
Hi,
On 4/21/21 10:58 PM, Patrick Rother wrote:
The OTRS mailing lists have to be renamed from ...otrs... to ...vrt... at some not yet defined time.
It may make sense to do this with the migration to mailman3. Please feel free to contact me for coordination.
We have not yet explored how to rename lists in Mailman3 (it's possible, just will take a while to figure out), so I'd suggest we rename the lists first and then migrate them to Mailman3. If you could file a Phabricator task in "Wikimedia-Mailing-lists" with the names of all the lists that need renaming that would be preferred.
Thanks, -- Kunal
On Wed, 2021-04-21 at 17:05 -0700, Kunal Mehta wrote:
- Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins
are (either usernames, email addresses, etc.)
Does this have to be exposed in the "description" field (shown in the overview list of mailing lists), or would such info also be fine to be included in the less exposed "info" field?
Thanks for working on this!, andre
Hi, The context for that is this ticket: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272778 (Basically, we now hide admins from the interface, so if they need to have their name public, they should put it in description)
So description is the one we mean.
HTH
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:34 AM Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, 2021-04-21 at 17:05 -0700, Kunal Mehta wrote:
- Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins
are (either usernames, email addresses, etc.)
Does this have to be exposed in the "description" field (shown in the overview list of mailing lists), or would such info also be fine to be included in the less exposed "info" field?
Thanks for working on this!, andre
-- Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
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added "[ARCHIVE]" to the "Description" field for wikien-l - is this doing it right?
a public archive is needed, 'cos this is an important historical list - but it's also been all but inactive for at least six years now. I emailed the list saying it was time to switch it off and archive, waiting if anyone disagrees. (Though if they do, they'll need some really good arguments.)
- d.
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 at 10:28, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, The context for that is this ticket: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272778 (Basically, we now hide admins from the interface, so if they need to have their name public, they should put it in description)
So description is the one we mean.
HTH
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:34 AM Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, 2021-04-21 at 17:05 -0700, Kunal Mehta wrote:
- Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins
are (either usernames, email addresses, etc.)
Does this have to be exposed in the "description" field (shown in the overview list of mailing lists), or would such info also be fine to be included in the less exposed "info" field?
Thanks for working on this!, andre
-- Andre Klapper (he/him) | Bugwrangler / Developer Advocate https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
-- Amir (he/him)
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On Thu, 2021-04-22 at 11:27 +0200, Amir Sarabadani wrote: Hi, The context for that is this ticket: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T272778 (Basically, we now hide admins from the interface, so if they need to have their name public, they should put it in description)
So description is the one we mean.
Hmm, I don't think so? That Phab task lists https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l where such info is in the "info" field, not in the "description" field.
I've now also added the list admins also to "info" instead of "description" for mediawiki-l and wikitech-l.
Cheers, andre
Regarding the url change:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to <
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/%...
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name? I would seem preferable by far to use instead: https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
and since all (?) our lists are using @list.wikimedia.org, it's not like we need the domain there to disambiguate it.
Cheers
Hi
Please could you remove me from this mailing list?
Thanks Terence
From: Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Platonides platonides@gmail.com Date: Friday, 23 April 2021 at 10:29 To: List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed Regarding the url change:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name? I would seem preferable by far to use instead: https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
and since all (?) our lists are using @list.wikimedia.orghttp://list.wikimedia.org, it's not like we need the domain there to disambiguate it.
Cheers
You are one of two admins of wikimedia-sg mailing list. You should stay in this mailing list to get news of changes of the mailing list you're administor of.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 4:35 AM Terence Ong terenceong92@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
Please could you remove me from this mailing list?
Thanks
Terence
*From: *Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Platonides platonides@gmail.com *Date: *Friday, 23 April 2021 at 10:29 *To: *List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject: *Re: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed
Regarding the url change:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change
to
<
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/%...
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name?
I would seem preferable by far to use instead:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
and since all (?) our lists are using @list.wikimedia.org, it's not like we need the domain there to disambiguate it.
Cheers _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
Hello,
Can anyone of the people who created this mailing list explain the reason why it was created and why I (and other people) was added here?
Usually people join mailing lists, but in this one it feels like that they were added without discussion or notification :D I would like to have some background and context to understand what is going on. I would really appreciate that.
Thank you in advance for your explanations.
Best regards,
Anass
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 8:47 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
You are one of two admins of wikimedia-sg mailing list. You should stay in this mailing list to get news of changes of the mailing list you're administor of.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 4:35 AM Terence Ong terenceong92@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
Please could you remove me from this mailing list?
Thanks
Terence
*From: *Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Platonides platonides@gmail.com *Date: *Friday, 23 April 2021 at 10:29 *To: *List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject: *Re: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed
Regarding the url change:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change
to
<
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/%...
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name?
I would seem preferable by far to use instead:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
and since all (?) our lists are using @list.wikimedia.org, it's not like we need the domain there to disambiguate it.
Cheers _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
-- Amir (he/him)
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
Hello Anass, You are one of two admins of wikimedia-ma mailing list and thus you have been added to this list. If you're an admin of any mailing list, you will be added here so you would be notified of changes coming to the mailing list you maintain. It's not a "please do this". It's part of your responsibility as an admin of mailing lists. The only exception being that if you are already subscribed under another email address.
If you don't wish to stay admin of that mailing list, you can remove yourself and I remove you from this mailing list too.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 3:18 PM Anass Sedrati sedranas@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Can anyone of the people who created this mailing list explain the reason why it was created and why I (and other people) was added here?
Usually people join mailing lists, but in this one it feels like that they were added without discussion or notification :D I would like to have some background and context to understand what is going on. I would really appreciate that.
Thank you in advance for your explanations.
Best regards,
Anass
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 8:47 AM Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
You are one of two admins of wikimedia-sg mailing list. You should stay in this mailing list to get news of changes of the mailing list you're administor of.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 4:35 AM Terence Ong terenceong92@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
Please could you remove me from this mailing list?
Thanks
Terence
*From: *Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Platonides platonides@gmail.com *Date: *Friday, 23 April 2021 at 10:29 *To: *List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject: *Re: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed
Regarding the url change:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change
to
<
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/%...
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name?
I would seem preferable by far to use instead:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
and since all (?) our lists are using @list.wikimedia.org, it's not like we need the domain there to disambiguate it.
Cheers _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
-- Amir (he/him)
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
--
*Anass SEDRATI*
*KTH --- Telecom ParisTech(+46) 76 409 92 83* _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
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Do you have the URL to remove myself as admin to the mailing list?
From: Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com Date: Sunday, 25 April 2021 at 21:27 To: List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed Hello Anass, You are one of two admins of wikimedia-ma mailing list and thus you have been added to this list. If you're an admin of any mailing list, you will be added here so you would be notified of changes coming to the mailing list you maintain. It's not a "please do this". It's part of your responsibility as an admin of mailing lists. The only exception being that if you are already subscribed under another email address.
If you don't wish to stay admin of that mailing list, you can remove yourself and I remove you from this mailing list too.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 3:18 PM Anass Sedrati <sedranas@gmail.commailto:sedranas@gmail.com> wrote: Hello,
Can anyone of the people who created this mailing list explain the reason why it was created and why I (and other people) was added here?
Usually people join mailing lists, but in this one it feels like that they were added without discussion or notification :D I would like to have some background and context to understand what is going on. I would really appreciate that.
Thank you in advance for your explanations.
Best regards,
Anass
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 8:47 AM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup@gmail.commailto:ladsgroup@gmail.com> wrote: You are one of two admins of wikimedia-sg mailing list. You should stay in this mailing list to get news of changes of the mailing list you're administor of.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 4:35 AM Terence Ong <terenceong92@gmail.commailto:terenceong92@gmail.com> wrote: Hi
Please could you remove me from this mailing list?
Thanks Terence
From: Listadmins <listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Platonides <platonides@gmail.commailto:platonides@gmail.com> Date: Friday, 23 April 2021 at 10:29 To: List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.orghttp://lists.wikimedia.org <listadmins@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed Regarding the url change:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name? I would seem preferable by far to use instead: https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
and since all (?) our lists are using @list.wikimedia.orghttp://list.wikimedia.org, it's not like we need the domain there to disambiguate it.
Cheers _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
-- Amir (he/him) _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
-- ----------------------------------------------------- Anass SEDRATI
KTH --- Telecom ParisTech (+46) 76 409 92 83 _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
-- Amir (he/him)
On Sun, 2021-04-25 at 15:20 +0000, Terence Ong wrote:
Do you have the URL to remove myself as admin to the mailing list?
I answered this in a previous email in this thread:
As a list admin, * go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ , * select your mailing list, * click the "administrative interface" link at the bottom, * log in, * select "[General Options]", * edit the second field ("The list administrator email addresses").
Cheers, andre
I don’t wish to be the admin anymore.
Best regards Terence terenceong92@gmail.com
On 23 Apr 2021, at 14:47, Amir Sarabadani ladsgroup@gmail.com wrote:
You are one of two admins of wikimedia-sg mailing list. You should stay in this mailing list to get news of changes of the mailing list you're administor of.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 4:35 AM Terence Ong terenceong92@gmail.com wrote: Hi
Please could you remove me from this mailing list?
Thanks
Terence
From: Listadmins listadmins-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org on behalf of Platonides platonides@gmail.com Date: Friday, 23 April 2021 at 10:29 To: List for discussions and announcements related to lists.wikimedia.org listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [List admins] Mailman3 upgrade beginning soon, action needed
Regarding the url change:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name?
I would seem preferable by far to use instead:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l
and since all (?) our lists are using @list.wikimedia.org, it's not like we need the domain there to disambiguate it.
Cheers
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
-- Amir (he/him)
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
On Fri, 2021-04-23 at 16:15 +0800, Terence Ong wrote:
I don’t wish to be the admin anymore.
As a list admin, * go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ , * select your mailing list, * click the "administrative interface" link at the bottom, * log in, * select "[General Options]", * edit the second field ("The list administrator email addresses").
Everyone please also note that emailing listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org sends an email to each and every admin of all mailing lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
Thanks, andre
On 4/22/21 7:29 PM, Platonides wrote:
Is there a technical reason which requires including the list domain ine name? I would seem preferable by far to use instead: https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
Mailman3 supports having multiple domains in the same instance, but you're right, we're unlikely to use that. I filed https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280996 to see if we can clean that up, but it's unlikely we do so (unless it's very trivial) before the migration.
-- Kunal
All of the yahoo addresses seem to be simultaneously unsubscribing from our mailing list.
Is this related to the upgrade?
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:46 PM Kunal Mehta legoktm@debian.org wrote:
Dear Wikimedia mailing list admins,
As you may have heard, we will be upgrading the mailing list software to Mailman 3, which is a full rewrite, fixing lots of long standing issues, especially around security. A short list of improvements:
- One user account (no more monthly password reminder emails or list
passwords)
- Ability to search through archives
- Posting through a web interface
- A web interface that doesn't look like its from the early 2000s
For the most part, if you just send and receive mail from the list, nothing dramatic will change.
A test installation is available at https://lists-next.wikimedia.org/ if you'd like to take a look now (all data will eventually be deleted). We can import your list into the test system so you can look around the new interfaces, make sure settings were migrated correctly and archives display correctly.
We're still finalizing the exact dates, but we may start migrating mailing lists starting next week. They'll be migrated in batches, starting with lists with no archives, and then going by size of archive and # of subscribers. Expect very big/old lists (wikimedia-l, wikitech-l, etc.) to go last. We plan to send a notification to the list admins when we start migrating the list and once it's finished.
We will need help from list admins to make this go smoothly.
- If your list is obsolete or should be archived, please add
"[OBSOLETE]" or "[ARCHIVED]" to the list description and we'll take care of the rest.
- Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins
are (either usernames, email addresses, etc.)
- If you'd like to volunteer your list to go early, let us know.
- On the other hand, if you think your list needs special handling and
should go later, let us know as well.
- It is our intention to have all mailing lists be publicly listed,
please let us know if you have a reason that the existence of your list should be kept private.
- If you've lost track of all the lists you're responsible for, we can
look it up for you :)
- The canonical URL of your mailing list will change. If you link to
your mailing list in help pages, templates, etc. You should update it after migration. For example https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to < https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/%...
(we expect to provide redirects).
- For public archives, we will ensure that archive links will not break.
For private lists, we do not intend to support old archive URLs - if this is a big issue for you, please let us know.
There's probably stuff we missed to mention, if you have questions, concerns, comments, please let us know on this list or #wikimedia-tech on IRC.
For tracking the work see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280322
Thanks, Amir (Ladsgroup) and Kunal (Legoktm)
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
This is probably related to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T232417
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:10 AM Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com wrote:
All of the yahoo addresses seem to be simultaneously unsubscribing from our mailing list.
Is this related to the upgrade?
Thanks, Richard (User:Pharos)
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:46 PM Kunal Mehta legoktm@debian.org wrote:
Dear Wikimedia mailing list admins,
As you may have heard, we will be upgrading the mailing list software to Mailman 3, which is a full rewrite, fixing lots of long standing issues, especially around security. A short list of improvements:
- One user account (no more monthly password reminder emails or list
passwords)
- Ability to search through archives
- Posting through a web interface
- A web interface that doesn't look like its from the early 2000s
For the most part, if you just send and receive mail from the list, nothing dramatic will change.
A test installation is available at https://lists-next.wikimedia.org/ if you'd like to take a look now (all data will eventually be deleted). We can import your list into the test system so you can look around the new interfaces, make sure settings were migrated correctly and archives display correctly.
We're still finalizing the exact dates, but we may start migrating mailing lists starting next week. They'll be migrated in batches, starting with lists with no archives, and then going by size of archive and # of subscribers. Expect very big/old lists (wikimedia-l, wikitech-l, etc.) to go last. We plan to send a notification to the list admins when we start migrating the list and once it's finished.
We will need help from list admins to make this go smoothly.
- If your list is obsolete or should be archived, please add
"[OBSOLETE]" or "[ARCHIVED]" to the list description and we'll take care of the rest.
- Please update your list description to indicate who the list admins
are (either usernames, email addresses, etc.)
- If you'd like to volunteer your list to go early, let us know.
- On the other hand, if you think your list needs special handling and
should go later, let us know as well.
- It is our intention to have all mailing lists be publicly listed,
please let us know if you have a reason that the existence of your list should be kept private.
- If you've lost track of all the lists you're responsible for, we can
look it up for you :)
- The canonical URL of your mailing list will change. If you link to
your mailing list in help pages, templates, etc. You should update it after migration. For example https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l will change to < https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/%...
(we expect to provide redirects).
- For public archives, we will ensure that archive links will not break.
For private lists, we do not intend to support old archive URLs - if this is a big issue for you, please let us know.
There's probably stuff we missed to mention, if you have questions, concerns, comments, please let us know on this list or #wikimedia-tech on IRC.
For tracking the work see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T280322
Thanks, Amir (Ladsgroup) and Kunal (Legoktm)
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
By sending a message to this list, you email all admins of all lists. To request technical changes for a specific list, instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
Hi everyone,
Multiple people have brought up various questions/clarifications (thanks!), so I've created https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Mailman3_migration and noted some more stuff there.
-- Kunal
listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org