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Steven Walling

11 Jun 2013 11 Jun '13

5:56 a.m.

For those interested in what's dropping in the fall with iOS7, it seems that there will be a slight change in the way Wikipedia search is integrated in to Siri. Currently, you would need to explicitly use the name to search Wikipedia results alone or primarily ("Search Wikipedia for surfing" or "Wikipedia surfing"). It seems that they'll be using more natural language in iOS7, with phrases such as ("Tell me about surfing"), and also using something a lot more like the information snippets in Google Now or Quick View. Here's a screenshot from today's keynote, which to me seems thin on attribution... http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/img_9327.jpg?w=720&… -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/

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Thehelpfulone

11 Jun 11 Jun

11:14 a.m.

On 11 Jun 2013, at 06:56, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Here's a screenshot from today's keynote, which to me seems thin on attribution...

I noticed this too, there's another screenshot on Apple's iOS7 feature page: http://images.apple.com/ios/ios7/features/images/siri_jupiter_screen.jpg --- Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone

Jared Zimmerman

10:08 p.m.

Good points, we'll look into what should be done on this matter. * * * * *Jared Zimmerman * \\ Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation M : +1 415 609 4043 | : @JaredZimmerman<https://twitter.com/JaredZimmerman> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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On 11 Jun 2013, at 06:56, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Here's a screenshot from today's keynote, which to me seems thin on attribution... I noticed this too, there's another screenshot on Apple's iOS7 feature page: http://images.apple.com/ios/ios7/features/images/siri_jupiter_screen.jpg --- Thehelpfulone https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

Brion Vibber

12 Jun 12 Jun

1:21 p.m.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

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I'm fiddling with it on the iOS 7 beta build. Saying "what is X" seems to reliably pull up Wikipedia articles, as do some similar natural language queries. (But if you ask about anything Apple-related, Siri just tells you you should go to apple.com. What don't they trust us? ;)

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Here's a screenshot from today's keynote, which to me seems thin on attribution...

Here's a combination shot showing what you get when you scroll down on that 'surfing' search: https://brionv.com/misc/siri-ios7-surfing-wikipedia.jpg Somewhere down at the bottom it does actually say "Wikipedia", and if you tap on that it takes you to the Wikipedia article in Safari. Not the most visible attribution, but it's sorta there. :) It also shows a lot of related queries, which come up in the Siri view as well when tapped. -- brion

Steven Walling

5:49 p.m.

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Thanks for the detail Brion. It's use of Wikipedia like this that makes me think we should charge for API access over a certain limit (obviously this would exclude cases like WP Zero partners). If Apple is going to siphon off potential contributors (editors or donors) to Wikipedia, we should make them pay a price up front. In a case like this and with Google's Knowledge Graph in search results, we're providing their users with massively useful data, and we're letting them elevate their brand far above Wikipedia's, so most users are potentially not even aware of where the information is coming from. We could reach out to them and ask for more prominent attribution, but begging companies like Google and Apple for better branding on a case-by-case basis is not really a safe bet in the long run. -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/

Brandon Harris

6:01 p.m.

This would result in: 1) Apple cloning our database 2) Siri working off their clone. And then we'd have drift issues. I think we'd have to weigh the pros and cons of disseminating stale articles to traffic/activity loss. On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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It's use of Wikipedia like this that makes me think we should charge for API access over a certain limit

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Daniel Friesen

6:18 p.m.

I think the bigger issue is the arguable violation of the CC-BY-SA license that the content they are displaying is under. They're basically taking what has been written by a bunch of people for a public encyclopedia. Then displaying it alone with absolutely no attribution or hint to where it came from. Something that would give off the impression to normal people that Apple cultivated the database of information. Fair use is nice. But there's no excuse for doing a copy of the core part of content, adding absolutely nothing to it, then not even saying where you got it from. While fair use is fairly liberal I have a feeling that even for clips this much copying without attribution would fail the requirements of fair use in a court. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/] On 2013-06-12 11:01 AM, Brandon Harris wrote:

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It's use of Wikipedia like this that makes me think we should charge for API access over a certain limit

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Jared Zimmerman

6:11 p.m.

Vibha pointed out that both Bing, and Wolfram|Alpha have pretty prominent branding within siri's UI Many other siri featues also have prominent branding - open table - yelp - yahoo - twitter if anything we look like an oversight not a purposeful omission. * * * * *Jared Zimmerman * \\ Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation M : +1 415 609 4043 | : @JaredZimmerman<https://twitter.com/JaredZimmerman> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

Nick White

13 Jun 13 Jun

9:38 a.m.

On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:49:15AM -0700, Steven Walling wrote:

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It's use of Wikipedia like this that makes me think we should charge for API access over a certain limit (obviously this would exclude cases like WP Zero partners).

This would be a dangerous precedent, I think; deciding who gets to reuse mediawiki content based on the decision of a few administrators. Which is always going to be political. I agree with Daniel, the issue is that they aren't attributing appropriately, as they are required to do by the copyright license. You're right that technologies which take away the prominence of community editing and treat wikipedia just as a resource to consume are troubling, but I think in this case the proposed cure would be far worse than the disease. Nick

Tyler Romeo

9:44 a.m.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Nick White <nick.white(a)durham.ac.uk> wrote:

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I agree with Daniel, the issue is that they aren't attributing appropriately, as they are required to do by the copyright license.

Is there any chance the WMF will do this? Because I doubt any actual editors have the patience and resources to do it themselves. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerromeo(a)gmail.com

Steven Walling

14 Jun 14 Jun

9:30 p.m.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Nick White <nick.white(a)durham.ac.uk>wrote;wrote:

I agree with Daniel, the issue is that they aren't attributing appropriately, as they are required to do by the copyright license.

Is there any chance the WMF will do this? Because I doubt any actual editors have the patience and resources to do it themselves.

Jared Zimmerman

10:31 p.m.

They are on it. Sent from my iPhone

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On Jun 14, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Tyler Romeo <tylerromeo(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Nick White <nick.white(a)durham.ac.uk> wrote: I agree with Daniel, the issue is that they aren't attributing appropriately, as they are required to do by the copyright license.

Is there any chance the WMF will do this? Because I doubt any actual editors have the patience and resources to do it themselves.

We can ask Luis and the legal team about it. The actual release of iOS7 as an update isn't until the fall, so we're not exactly in a big hurry, but I'll make sure the request is forwarded on (if he's not on this list). -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ _______________________________________________ Design mailing list Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design

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Brandon Harris
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