Amire recently brought up an issue with the existing styling of the profile page [1]. Usernames in MediaWiki land are case-sensitive so the user "Jdlrobson" is different from "jdlrobson" (yes this is bizarre but this is the way it is).
On the profile page the design relies on the username being the heading and being uppercase which is misleading. To add to this, to quote Amire word for word "Furthermore, applying uppercase to any alphabets except Latin, Cyrillic, Greek, Armenian and Georgian does pretty much nothing. This means that for usernames in Chinese, Thai, Hindi, Arabic and many other languages this style definition is meaningless.
Finally, in Turkish and Azeri the letter 'i' changes somewhat unexpectedly with the uppercase transform. It's a minor issue, but an issue nevertheless. "
So I've been noticing a lot of our designs use uppercase text and it would be good to question when it is okay to use uppercase and if we should be using it (a lot of people don't like the idea that THE COMPUTER IS SHOUTING AT ME!)
Would be interested in your thoughts so this issue doesn't come up again (also would be worth documenting on the upcoming style guide [2])
[1] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/Jimbo_Wales [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56705
thanks, one point of clarification even though it doesn't change much, isn't the first character case insensitive?
and a question. for languages without the concept of letter case how does this work/not work on those wikis?
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Amire recently brought up an issue with the existing styling of the profile page [1]. Usernames in MediaWiki land are case-sensitive so the user "Jdlrobson" is different from "jdlrobson" (yes this is bizarre but this is the way it is).
On the profile page the design relies on the username being the heading and being uppercase which is misleading. To add to this, to quote Amire word for word "Furthermore, applying uppercase to any alphabets except Latin, Cyrillic, Greek, Armenian and Georgian does pretty much nothing. This means that for usernames in Chinese, Thai, Hindi, Arabic and many other languages this style definition is meaningless.
Finally, in Turkish and Azeri the letter 'i' changes somewhat unexpectedly with the uppercase transform. It's a minor issue, but an issue nevertheless. "
So I've been noticing a lot of our designs use uppercase text and it would be good to question when it is okay to use uppercase and if we should be using it (a lot of people don't like the idea that THE COMPUTER IS SHOUTING AT ME!)
Would be interested in your thoughts so this issue doesn't come up again (also would be worth documenting on the upcoming style guide [2])
[1] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/Jimbo_Wales [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56705
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<quote name="Jared Zimmerman" date="2013-11-13" time="18:34:50 +0100">
thanks, one point of clarification even though it doesn't change much, isn't the first character case insensitive?
Depends on how you look at it.
It is forced to be uppercase. Any lowercase letter as the first letter will be 'rewritten' as uppercase.
So, one way is right and the other is corrected for.
Conclusion: no. First character is always upper case, not insensitive (ie: please don't refer to me as "greg G").
Greg G ;)
2013/11/13 Jared Zimmerman jared.zimmerman@wikimedia.org
and a question. for languages without the concept of letter case how does this work/not work on those wikis?
Nothing happens there - the same letters are shown.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni ። אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי Language Engineering ። הַנְדָּסָה לְשׁוֹנִית Wikimedia Foundation ። קֶרֶן וִיקִימֶדְיָה
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Amire recently brought up an issue with the existing styling of the profile page [1]. Usernames in MediaWiki land are case-sensitive so the user "Jdlrobson" is different from "jdlrobson" (yes this is bizarre but this is the way it is).
Note that MediaWiki forces the first letter of usernames to be uppercase, so "jdlrobson" is actually "Jdlrobson". But "Jdlrobson" is not "JDlrobson".
--Legoktm
legoktm, 13/11/2013 18:44:
Note that MediaWiki forces the first letter of usernames to be uppercase, so "jdlrobson" is actually "Jdlrobson".
Only since some time in phase III though :P https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323 and not everyone was happy. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574
Nemo
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:56:01 +0100, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Only since some time in phase III though https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_ bug.cgi?id=323 and not everyone was happy. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574
This is getting off-topic, but there's an open feature request for this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26396 . Thanks for pointing me to another dupe.
Thanks for bringing this up, looking into different type treatments for special pages.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma.rex@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:56:01 +0100, Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
Only since some time in phase III though https://bugzilla.wikimedia.
org/show_
bug.cgi?id=323 and not everyone was happy. https://bugzilla.wikimedia. org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574
This is getting off-topic, but there's an open feature request for this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26396 . Thanks for pointing me to another dupe.
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I raised a bug so the profile problem doesn't get forgetten: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57208
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Kaity Hammerstein khammerstein@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for bringing this up, looking into different type treatments for special pages.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma.rex@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:56:01 +0100, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Only since some time in phase III though https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_
bug.cgi?id=323 and not everyone was happy. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1574
This is getting off-topic, but there's an open feature request for this: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26396 . Thanks for pointing me to another dupe.
-- Matma Rex
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