Ryan is suggesting we use the free font Linux Libertine instead of Georgia/DejaVu as our free font offering on the basis that we use this font in the Wikipedia logo.
This sounds good. What think you designers?
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Ryan is suggesting we use the free font Linux Libertine instead of Georgia/DejaVu as our free font offering on the basis that we use this font in the Wikipedia logo.
This sounds good. What think you designers?
I suggested DejaVu serif as the free alternative to list because it seems to be widely installed by default on Ubuntu, and probably other Linux operating systems. Is the same the case with Linux Libertine?
As far as removing Georgia... Theoretically this sounds nice, and personally I quite like Linux Libertine, but I am opposed until we figure out what most Windows and OSX machines will compute "Linux Libertine, serif" to. Will it still display Georgia, or will it display something crappier like Times?
If it ends up that on OSX and Windows "Linux Libertine, serif" computes to the same as "Georgia, serif" is, I'm not really sure what the point is beyond changing the typography for the tiny number of our users on desktop FOSS operating systems that have both Libertine and a different default serif.
Sorry to be clear - this was not suggesting removing Georgia, just swapping out the free font choice.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Ryan is suggesting we use the free font Linux Libertine instead of Georgia/DejaVu as our free font offering on the basis that we use this font in the Wikipedia logo.
This sounds good. What think you designers?
I suggested DejaVu serif as the free alternative to list because it seems to be widely installed by default on Ubuntu, and probably other Linux operating systems. Is the same the case with Linux Libertine?
As far as removing Georgia... Theoretically this sounds nice, and personally I quite like Linux Libertine, but I am opposed until we figure out what most Windows and OSX machines will compute "Linux Libertine, serif" to. Will it still display Georgia, or will it display something crappier like Times?
If it ends up that on OSX and Windows "Linux Libertine, serif" computes to the same as "Georgia, serif" is, I'm not really sure what the point is beyond changing the typography for the tiny number of our users on desktop FOSS operating systems that have both Libertine and a different default serif.
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry to be clear - this was not suggesting removing Georgia, just swapping out the free font choice.
Ah, sorry. Well my only question then is whether it's common enough to replace DejaVu serif then.
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 03:34:00PM -0800, Steven Walling wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry to be clear - this was not suggesting removing Georgia, just swapping out the free font choice.Ah, sorry. Well my only question then is whether it's common enough to replace DejaVu serif then.
I don't think it's close to as widely deployed. The DejaVu fonts seem to be pretty standard in Linux installs as reliable many-glyph fonts. Debian's popcon seems to back that up, 137088 recorded installs of ttf-dejavu vs 9836 of fonts-linuxlibertine (though the numbers are a bit confusing, I think because of package moves, as there's one called fonts-dejavu which has 18722, but either way it's quite a bit more).
That said, I certainly prefer Linux Libertine. I use it (loaded as a webfont) for the skin Erudite.
Nick
(We could also have both with Linux Libertine the default)
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Nick White nick.white@durham.ac.uk wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 03:34:00PM -0800, Steven Walling wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry to be clear - this was not suggesting removing Georgia, justswapping
out the free font choice.Ah, sorry. Well my only question then is whether it's common enough to
replace
DejaVu serif then.
I don't think it's close to as widely deployed. The DejaVu fonts seem to be pretty standard in Linux installs as reliable many-glyph fonts. Debian's popcon seems to back that up, 137088 recorded installs of ttf-dejavu vs 9836 of fonts-linuxlibertine (though the numbers are a bit confusing, I think because of package moves, as there's one called fonts-dejavu which has 18722, but either way it's quite a bit more).
That said, I certainly prefer Linux Libertine. I use it (loaded as a webfont) for the skin Erudite.
Nick
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On 12/20/2013 07:34 PM, Nick White wrote:
I don't think it's close to as widely deployed. The DejaVu fonts seem to be pretty standard in Linux installs as reliable many-glyph fonts. Debian's popcon seems to back that up, 137088 recorded installs of ttf-dejavu vs 9836 of fonts-linuxlibertine (though the numbers are a bit confusing, I think because of package moves, as there's one called fonts-dejavu which has 18722, but either way it's quite a bit more).
Yeah, I didn't have it installed either on my Debian system (even though I vaguely remember hearing it was used in the Wikipedia logo, I never considered it as a font for me to use).
It also seems to have the same jumping numeral thing as Georgia (my main pet peeve there, since I think it would look odd in dates in titles, etc.), though maybe not the exact same positions.
Matt Flaschen