On Oct 24, 2012, at 12:01 AM, Pau Giner <pginer(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Erik Moeller
<erik(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Overall these changes are awesome and ULS is coming along beautifully,
but I agree with Timo on the upper/lower case issue.
Sentence context is different from title/list
view, in the latter it should
be ucfirst'ed unconditionally (like we do in interwiki lists), whether to
use the ucfirst algorithm of the interface language or the language name is
another but it should be ucfirst.
+1. Please use sentence case in lists to make them scannable and
aesthetically pleasing :).
Similarly, I don't see why "français" should be lower-case in the menu
after the language is selected. Every other menu item in the UI has
the first letter capitalized, regardless of in-sentence word case.
It's great you like the interaction improvements.
Regarding the language data, the ULS consumes data from the collection of
language-related info that was based on the CLDR and put together by the Language
Engineering team in
https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.uls/blob/master/data/langdb.yaml
I'm not a linguist, so I relied in the 466 language names defined there. There are
probably bugs in the data, and also rarities that may seem bugs to our eyes but are not
according to each language writing rules (some scripts do not even have capitals). By
filling bugs for the detected problems, the info will probably arrive to the Language
Engineering team members with more information to determine the nature of each specific
case.
Pau
The data there is correct. In French, for example, they don't capitalise (their)
language name in sentences. These are rules similar to for example how in German nouns are
capitalised in the middle of a Sentence, but we don't capitalise those Words in
English.
So, just like we don't capitalise nouns in English (like they do in German), the
French don't capitalise language names (like we do in English).
In order to store and use that information, the language names on themselves are stored
the way they should be used in a sentence. However when used at the start of a title,
sentence or in a list, then other rules apply. For instance all sentences start with a
capital letter in English (in German and French, too), even if the first word is a word
that wouldn't be capitalised otherwise.
Back to the issue at hand, it appears as though this isn't a resolved issue after all.
The bug report I opened was closed[1] by Siebrand as invalid...
-- Krinkle
[1]
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41313#c1