Thank you Issara for rephrasing it in a different way. As I mentioned
before we can think of it as a way of progressive
complexity Visual editor has fewer controls and less complexity than
existing Wikitext editor, both in its UI and its presentation of content.
Allowing access, albeit deemphasized to the wikitext editor, only from
within the VE environment fits nicely with that goal. Again I'm not
suggesting that we remove direct access to the wikitext editor if a
preference has been set, but in all other cases the VE does provide an
experience that will benefit new and existing users alike while (if
implemented) a 1 click switch to the old editing experience.
For me it is about trust and confidence as well as establishing a direction
with intention, If we show doubt that the VE is in fact a better experience
and provide top level choice between the two editor experiences we are not
showing that confidences
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Isarra Yos <zhorishna(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps we're asking the wrong question here.
There are two options, and how they are presented either results in
problems with clutter, or with clarity, but both options are for the same
action of editing the page/section. So why present the options until the
user clicks on the link for editing at all?
Now at that point it could go with a dropdown presenting the choices, but
let's look at how this sort of thing, with two or more edit modes, is
usually done across existing platforms: Click the link/button, and
generally it opens up to the visual editor by default. From there, the
source mode is a tab or option that can then be switched between as needed,
with the visual editor also doubling as a preview if the user is working
mostly in source.
Wordpress is a good example. Their visual editor itself makes me want to
cry, but the interface is clearly navigable and such. It's basically what I
expected with this when I first heard of it as well.
On 21/06/13 17:40, Trevor Parscal wrote:
VisualEditor has the option to take over section edit links. We find this
is probably going to be unpopular for people who want to at least sometimes
edit wikitext, but don't want to loose them as VisualEditor users. After
discussing a few different options, including showing both links (really
cluttered and horribly long in some languages) and using icons (no icon
would really convey what we want here).
We have decided that it's probably best to make the edit link show an
alternative in a menu on hover. There's a prototype of this (somewhere)
that MatmaRex has hacked together (screenshot attached) which is close. I
mocked something up that is similar but perhaps a little better looking.
Max brings up a good point about my mockup, which is that it doesn't
quite fit with other vector-isms. Given that Vector is something we want to
evolve, we shouldn't get too caught up in that, but it's something worth
considering since deviation from what vector is today should probably only
be done if it's in the direction of what Vector should be in the future.
I'm hoping that others on the list could perhaps make suggestions, offer
ideas, make simple mockups or prototypes and help make this feature as good
We need to have this solved quickly since we are releasing in a couple
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