Hello,
In order to surf on the new wave of contributions to this list, here a suggestion:
WMF certainly has a lot of e-mail addresses of people who are not really Wikimedians, but who are interested in what we do: professionals, hard core readers, teachers, politicians, potential donators and so on. Why not create a newsletter they can get per e-mail, maybe once a week. With news that is relevant to them and written in a way they understand (no techno babble, no Wiki jargon).
We do have this blog, you can have RSS yes, but many of these people don't know what a blog or RSS is. Simply a mail service they can subscribe on, and no bothering or searching later.
Kind regards
Ziko
2009/1/28 Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org
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Hi, welcome, Jerry!
I am glad you're here. Comproj is in a bit of a slow point right now while we reassess what we're here for, but you can help us in that reassessment!
Cary
Jerry~Yuyu wrote:
Halo all
I wonder if most of know me already.
This is User:Yuyu on Wikimedia projects, I start hanging around in Chinese Wikipedia since 2004, and became a sysop there. And I've been helping out in meta since Wikimania 2007, mostly on translation and did give some comments in ComCom mailing list
As a student of Journalism in Hong Kong who spent his childhood in Mainland China, I think I can help with the Press and PR stuff here. As a deputy-president of the local chapter in HK, I've already handled dozens of media inquires and interviewed by several '].
I hope I can help here as much as possible.
Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan Jerry~雨雨 User:Yuyu http://jeromyu.info MSN: jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com
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Ziko:
That is an excellent idea! Like a Wikizine, only written for non-wikimedians?
Cary
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
In order to surf on the new wave of contributions to this list, here a suggestion:
WMF certainly has a lot of e-mail addresses of people who are not really Wikimedians, but who are interested in what we do: professionals, hard core readers, teachers, politicians, potential donators and so on. Why not create a newsletter they can get per e-mail, maybe once a week. With news that is relevant to them and written in a way they understand (no techno babble, no Wiki jargon).
We do have this blog, you can have RSS yes, but many of these people don't know what a blog or RSS is. Simply a mail service they can subscribe on, and no bothering or searching later.
Kind regards
Ziko
2009/1/28 Cary Bass <cary@wikimedia.org mailto:cary@wikimedia.org>
Hi, welcome, Jerry!
I am glad you're here. Comproj is in a bit of a slow point right now while we reassess what we're here for, but you can help us in that reassessment!
Cary
Jerry~Yuyu wrote:
Halo all
I wonder if most of know me already.
This is User:Yuyu on Wikimedia projects, I start hanging around in Chinese Wikipedia since 2004, and became a sysop there. And I've been helping out in meta since Wikimania 2007, mostly on
translation
and did give some comments in ComCom mailing list
As a student of Journalism in Hong Kong who spent his childhood in Mainland China, I think I can help with the Press and PR stuff
here.
As a deputy-president of the local chapter in HK, I've already handled dozens of media inquires and interviewed by several '].
I hope I can help here as much as possible.
Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan Jerry~èè User:Yuyu http://jeromyu.info MSN: jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com
<mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com>
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Halo all
I think it's a good idea
but I think before we go we should consider the similar kind of stuff we have at the moment
like Wikizine or wikipedia signpost etc. Is there any overlap with these materials?
I think the suggestion is good with a clear target audience, that's very important for digesting our material to a newsletter
Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan Jerry~雨雨 User:Yuyu http://jeromyu.info MSN: jeromyuchan@msn.com
http://blogue.jeromyu.info/ *Please click-in to support my blog*
Tel: +852 9279 1601 Laudamus quae laudentur
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 03:14, Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Ziko:
That is an excellent idea! Like a Wikizine, only written for non-wikimedians?
Cary
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
In order to surf on the new wave of contributions to this list, here a suggestion:
WMF certainly has a lot of e-mail addresses of people who are not really Wikimedians, but who are interested in what we do: professionals, hard core readers, teachers, politicians, potential donators and so on. Why not create a newsletter they can get per e-mail, maybe once a week. With news that is relevant to them and written in a way they understand (no techno babble, no Wiki jargon).
We do have this blog, you can have RSS yes, but many of these people don't know what a blog or RSS is. Simply a mail service they can subscribe on, and no bothering or searching later.
Kind regards
Ziko
2009/1/28 Cary Bass <cary@wikimedia.org mailto:cary@wikimedia.org>
Hi, welcome, Jerry!
I am glad you're here. Comproj is in a bit of a slow point right now while we reassess what we're here for, but you can help us in that reassessment!
Cary
Jerry~Yuyu wrote:
Halo all
I wonder if most of know me already.
This is User:Yuyu on Wikimedia projects, I start hanging around in Chinese Wikipedia since 2004, and became a sysop there. And I've been helping out in meta since Wikimania 2007, mostly on
translation
and did give some comments in ComCom mailing list
As a student of Journalism in Hong Kong who spent his childhood in Mainland China, I think I can help with the Press and PR stuff
here.
As a deputy-president of the local chapter in HK, I've already handled dozens of media inquires and interviewed by several '].
I hope I can help here as much as possible.
Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan Jerry~èè User:Yuyu http://jeromyu.info MSN: jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com
<mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com>
ComProj mailing list ComProj@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:ComProj@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/comproj
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That is an excellent idea! Like a Wikizine, only written for non-wikimedians?
Cary
Yes, indeed. Our other information channels are extremely limited to Wikimedians, we ourselves often don't remark that. Think about your uncle, your teacher, your elderly neighbour. A newsletter for non-Wikimedians should be reread by at least two other Wikimedians than the author, maybe even checked for difficultuies by non-Wikimedians.
Several ways are possible: * Everytime there is something to report, WMF sends a newsletter. * Every week, WMF sends a newsletter with a couple of collected, relevant news * Every fortnight or month, WMF sends a newsletter that is more similar to a magazine or paper, with sections and stuff you would suppose to find in a journal for the members of an association.
This thing should get a name that is more inviting for non-Wikimedians (or "normal people"), like "Wikimedia News", "Informations for friends of Wikipedia", not a cryptic "Wikizine" (WIKIpedia MagaZINE).
As Jerry says, be conscious about your readership.
Ziko
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
In order to surf on the new wave of contributions to this list, here a suggestion:
WMF certainly has a lot of e-mail addresses of people who are not really Wikimedians, but who are interested in what we do: professionals, hard core readers, teachers, politicians, potential donators and so on. Why not create a newsletter they can get per e-mail, maybe once a week. With news that is relevant to them and written in a way they understand (no techno babble, no Wiki jargon).
We do have this blog, you can have RSS yes, but many of these people don't know what a blog or RSS is. Simply a mail service they can subscribe on, and no bothering or searching later.
Kind regards
Ziko
2009/1/28 Cary Bass <cary@wikimedia.org mailto:cary@wikimedia.org>
Hi, welcome, Jerry!
I am glad you're here. Comproj is in a bit of a slow point right now while we reassess what we're here for, but you can help us in that reassessment!
Cary
Jerry~Yuyu wrote:
Halo all
I wonder if most of know me already.
This is User:Yuyu on Wikimedia projects, I start hanging around in Chinese Wikipedia since 2004, and became a sysop there. And I've been helping out in meta since Wikimania 2007, mostly on
translation
and did give some comments in ComCom mailing list
As a student of Journalism in Hong Kong who spent his childhood in Mainland China, I think I can help with the Press and PR stuff
here.
As a deputy-president of the local chapter in HK, I've already handled dozens of media inquires and interviewed by several '].
I hope I can help here as much as possible.
Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan Jerry~èè User:Yuyu http://jeromyu.info MSN: jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com
<mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com>
ComProj mailing list ComProj@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:ComProj@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/comproj
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There is probably scope to take material from Wikizine and things like it and kill off the insider jargon. A lot of people who are actively involved take some of the jargon for granted (I probably do sometimes) and while all the discussions take place in public, to a lot of people including some of the journalists who cover issues they remain opaque.
So, yes, an irregular jargon-free newsletter might be a good idea.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: comproj-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:comproj-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ziko van Dijk Sent: 28 January 2009 20:50 To: Discussion list for the Communication Projects Group Subject: Re: [ComProj] Newsletter
That is an excellent idea! Like a Wikizine, only written for non-wikimedians?
Cary
Yes, indeed. Our other information channels are extremely limited to Wikimedians, we ourselves often don't remark that. Think about your uncle, your teacher, your elderly neighbour. A newsletter for non-Wikimedians should be reread by at least two other Wikimedians than the author, maybe even checked for difficultuies by non-Wikimedians.
Several ways are possible: * Everytime there is something to report, WMF sends a newsletter. * Every week, WMF sends a newsletter with a couple of collected, relevant news * Every fortnight or month, WMF sends a newsletter that is more similar to a magazine or paper, with sections and stuff you would suppose to find in a journal for the members of an association.
This thing should get a name that is more inviting for non-Wikimedians (or "normal people"), like "Wikimedia News", "Informations for friends of Wikipedia", not a cryptic "Wikizine" (WIKIpedia MagaZINE).
As Jerry says, be conscious about your readership.
Ziko
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
In order to surf on the new wave of contributions to this list, here a suggestion:
WMF certainly has a lot of e-mail addresses of people who are not really Wikimedians, but who are interested in what we do: professionals, hard core readers, teachers, politicians, potential donators and so on. Why not create a newsletter they can get per e-mail, maybe once a week. With news that is relevant to them and written in a way they understand (no techno babble, no Wiki jargon).
We do have this blog, you can have RSS yes, but many of these people don't know what a blog or RSS is. Simply a mail service they can subscribe on, and no bothering or searching later.
Kind regards
Ziko
2009/1/28 Cary Bass <cary@wikimedia.org
Hi, welcome, Jerry!
I am glad you're here. Comproj is in a bit of a slow point right now while we reassess what we're here for, but you can help us in that reassessment!
Cary
Jerry~Yuyu wrote:
Halo all
I wonder if most of know me already.
This is User:Yuyu on Wikimedia projects, I start hanging around in Chinese Wikipedia since 2004, and became a sysop there. And I've been helping out in meta since Wikimania 2007, mostly on
translation
and did give some comments in ComCom mailing list
As a student of Journalism in Hong Kong who spent his childhood in Mainland China, I think I can help with the Press and PR stuff
here.
As a deputy-president of the local chapter in HK, I've already handled dozens of media inquires and interviewed by several '].
I hope I can help here as much as possible.
Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan Jerry~èè User:Yuyu http://jeromyu.info
MSN: jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com
<mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com>
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Well, it is hard to provide and maintain a newsletter that suits everyone (donors, Wikipedians, non-wikipedians and others).
More problem arise when it comes to providing materials. The idea sounds great and it is worth to be pursue.
Regards, KS. Lim
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________________________________ From: Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org To: Discussion list for the Communication Projects Group comproj@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, 29 January 2009 6:27:52 Subject: Re: [ComProj] Newsletter
There is probably scope to take material from Wikizine and things like it and kill off the insider jargon. A lot of people who are actively involved take some of the jargon for granted (I probably do sometimes) and while all the discussions take place in public, to a lot of people – including some of the journalists who cover issues – they remain opaque.
So, yes, an irregular jargon-free newsletter might be a good idea.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: comproj-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:comproj-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ziko van Dijk Sent: 28 January 2009 20:50 To: Discussion list for the Communication Projects Group Subject: Re: [ComProj] Newsletter
That is an excellent idea! Like a Wikizine, only written for non-wikimedians?
Cary
Yes, indeed. Our other information channels are extremely limited to Wikimedians, we ourselves often don't remark that. Think about your uncle, your teacher, your elderly neighbour. A newsletter for non-Wikimedians should be reread by at least two other Wikimedians than the author, maybe even checked for difficultuies by non-Wikimedians.
Several ways are possible: * Everytime there is something to report, WMF sends a newsletter. * Every week, WMF sends a newsletter with a couple of collected, relevant news * Every fortnight or month, WMF sends a newsletter that is more similar to a magazine or paper, with sections and stuff you would suppose to find in a journal for the members of an association.
This thing should get a name that is more inviting for non-Wikimedians (or "normal people"), like "Wikimedia News", "Informations for friends of Wikipedia", not a cryptic "Wikizine" (WIKIpedia MagaZINE).
As Jerry says, be conscious about your readership.
Ziko
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
In order to surf on the new wave of contributions to this list, here a suggestion:
WMF certainly has a lot of e-mail addresses of people who are not really Wikimedians, but who are interested in what we do: professionals, hard core readers, teachers, politicians, potential donators and so on. Why not create a newsletter they can get per e-mail, maybe once a week. With news that is relevant to them and written in a way they understand (no techno babble, no Wiki jargon).
We do have this blog, you can have RSS yes, but many of these people don't know what a blog or RSS is. Simply a mail service they can subscribe on, and no bothering or searching later.
Kind regards
Ziko
2009/1/28 Cary Bass <cary@wikimedia.org mailto:cary@wikimedia.org>
Hi, welcome, Jerry!
I am glad you're here. Comproj is in a bit of a slow point right now while we reassess what we're here for, but you can help us in that reassessment!
Cary
Jerry~Yuyu wrote:
Halo all
I wonder if most of know me already.
This is User:Yuyu on Wikimedia projects, I start hanging around in Chinese Wikipedia since 2004, and became a sysop there. And I've been helping out in meta since Wikimania 2007, mostly on
translation
and did give some comments in ComCom mailing list
As a student of Journalism in Hong Kong who spent his childhood in Mainland China, I think I can help with the Press and PR stuff
here.
As a deputy-president of the local chapter in HK, I've already handled dozens of media inquires and interviewed by several '].
I hope I can help here as much as possible.
Jeromy-Yu
Maximilian Chan Jerry~èè User:Yuyu http://jeromyu.info
MSN: jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com
<mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com mailto:jeromyuchan@msn.com>
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Ziko van Dijk schreef: [knip]
core readers, teachers, politicians, potential donators and so on. Why not create a newsletter they can get per e-mail, maybe once a week. With news that is relevant to them and written in a way they understand (no techno babble, no Wiki jargon).
We do have this blog, you can have RSS yes, but many of these people don't know what a blog or RSS is. Simply a mail service they can subscribe on, and no bothering or searching later.
Kind regards
Ziko
A previous, failed, project; http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Quarto
If you wish to make a newsletter you need to know;
- for who? -- and if you know that; what type of stuff will you include and what not? - will it be an official Wikimedia Foundation newsletter or not? If it is an official newsletter I think you can reach faster more readers. But it can be seen as an public relations construction and you are editorial more limited.
Doing it; who will make it (long term)? On who can you count for help? Where/how , plain text/HTML or both?
If you have that all done you can make trial editions to see how things are working out. I would do that fairly discretely. It no fun announcing something new that never makes it to edition 3.
If possible and useful I am open to co-operation between this whatever it maybe will be of a newsletter and wikizine.
Greetings, Walter
Exactly, Walter, it is not about creating concurrence to Wikizine, WikiKurier, Signpost etc. (those will be valous sources of information), but something suitable for the general public, or those people our public outreachers often have to deal with. I prefer plain text, easy to layout, easy to print. Ziko
If you wish to make a newsletter you need to know;
- for who?
-- and if you know that; what type of stuff will you include and what not?
- will it be an official Wikimedia Foundation newsletter or not? If it
is an official newsletter I think you can reach faster more readers. But it can be seen as an public relations construction and you are editorial more limited.
Doing it; who will make it (long term)? On who can you count for help? Where/how , plain text/HTML or both?
If you have that all done you can make trial editions to see how things are working out. I would do that fairly discretely. It no fun announcing something new that never makes it to edition 3.
If possible and useful I am open to co-operation between this whatever it maybe will be of a newsletter and wikizine.
Greetings, Walter
-- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community
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Ziko van Dijk schreef:
I prefer plain text, easy to layout, easy to print. Ziko
I am personally also a plain text enthusiast. But regarding about easy layout; also with plain text you can easy break the layout with incorrect line breaks and to much or to few blank lines. When I send out the DE or ES edition of Wikizine that is not made by me I almost always need to fix that type of mistakes.
And at least in gmail plain text newsletters do not look good.
But if the target audience is the wider population I think there is no other choice then to go html. For ID Wikizine is that version published on the wiki; http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikizine
and then copy&pasted in an email and send to the mailing list. And I find the result surpizingly good looking.
Walter
I also suspect that those most likely to complain and express preference for a plain text publication are not part of the target demographic.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: comproj-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:comproj-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Walter Vermeir Sent: 03 February 2009 22:47 To: Discussion list for the Communication Projects Group Subject: Re: [ComProj] Newsletter
Ziko van Dijk schreef:
I prefer plain text, easy to layout, easy to print. Ziko
I am personally also a plain text enthusiast. But regarding about easy layout; also with plain text you can easy break the layout with incorrect line breaks and to much or to few blank lines. When I send out the DE or ES edition of Wikizine that is not made by me I almost always need to fix that type of mistakes.
And at least in gmail plain text newsletters do not look good.
But if the target audience is the wider population I think there is no other choice then to go html. For ID Wikizine is that version published on the wiki; http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikizine
and then copy&pasted in an email and send to the mailing list. And I find the result surpizingly good looking.
Walter
On Tue, Feb 03, 2009 at 11:36:32PM +0100, Brian McNeil wrote:
I also suspect that those most likely to complain and express preference for a plain text publication are not part of the target demographic.
True. But people aren't likely to object to plain text and it's rather good for dessimation across sources: someone can paste the newsletter to Facebook or their blog or something without any loss of formatting.
The idea of taking Wikizine content and simplifying/re-presenting it seems to make the most sense to me. Wikizine already does a great job of collecting together news, so it would be a pretty simple job to just slim it down and re-word it each week.
I'd be happy to start doing this after each edition of Wikizine is released if a few others would offer themselves as backup for weeks when I'm busy.
S
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Sean Whitton schreef:
The idea of taking Wikizine content and simplifying/re-presenting it seems to make the most sense to me. Wikizine already does a great job of collecting together news, so it would be a pretty simple job to just slim it down and re-word it each week.
I'd be happy to start doing this after each edition of Wikizine is released if a few others would offer themselves as backup for weeks when I'm busy.
S
Regarding Wikizine is the bad news that despite the significant contributions of some people in some editions I am still Wikizine. I mean without me, no Wikizine. And the other languages editions of wikizine are once more more dead then active.
The good news is that I have the feeling there are more people jumping in to help out with writing some items I probably would not have found myself. I also have found the fun back in doing Wikizine. Wikizine will certainly continue for some time.
I am even considering to start again a promotion round on the wikis for wikizine. To inform that it exist, to ask to put a wikizine banner/notice on a public page on there wiki, to request to send news to me about there community. I am stuck at a bit above 700 readers by email at I would like to get that up.
Walter