I assume, as per our decisions last time, we do not want to have a
normal meeting tonight as there is no special issue? Right?
Let me know if you disagree,
Sean
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I've released a copy of our presslist to Wikimedia UK's press officer
per his request. I guess this is what we want to be using it for.
I sent it him in PDF. Thought you'd want to know where you work is going :)
Sean
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I think that we had a very successful meeting last night and I'm
pleased by how it was conducted. I hope no-one thought I was pushing
everyone on too quickly, but I was deliberately trying to keep it
moving as fast as possible so that we'd get some decisions made. We
did go over 45mins somewhat, but it's not too serious.
Full logs are at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communication_Projects_Group/Meetings/2007-0…
For those who did not come to the meeting and for those that weren't
there all the time etc., this is a summary of dicussions:
*Firstly we all sent our condolences to Sandy as her mother has passed
away. She is due to return to work on Tuesday.
*Martinp23 introduced us to Wikiwx, a search engine being developed to
search our projects better than our own, frankly pathetic, search
system. We decided it'd be good if ComProj could spread the word
somewhat.
(cary left at this point)
*schiste, who was not present at the meeting, was re-established as
our Wikimania <> ComProj liaison, if he is still willing to do this
job. It was pointed out that we could help with general work on their
site (or recruiting other to do so, RC patrol etc.) and also answering
their press inquiries. I think we need to get in touch with them,
which our liaison probably needs to do.
(symode09 arrived somewhere in here)
*We then moved onto discussing ComProj itself. I proposed a solution
which gathered consensus; I assume we are going to follow this unless
anyone who is on the list but was not at the meeting expresses an
objection: announcements for help (as Sandy wanted) on this list and
brief discussion on ComProj itself, discussion of our individual
projects on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communication_Projects_Group
and meetings as and when needed for specific issues, scrapping the
weekly one as it is unfair on those who cannot attend and is a bit
unspecific.
Thanks,
Sean
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Here is what we have on the agenda; I thought I'd get individual
things done first to leave open discussion time after. I do want to
keep the time restricted a bit more in order to 'force' us to be a
little more proactive :-) Let me know if there is anything you want
adding to this.
symode09: Wikinews video, video booth at Wikimania, talking @
Wikimania on Wikinews
Martinp23: Wikiwx search engine
Thanks,
Sean
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Okay, I will definately be here this week as I will have had exams the
day before, but then nothing for the rest of the week so I will be
able to run the meeting. I'd appreciate it if people could (off-list)
mail me issues they want to bring up *before* the meeting so that we
can move more smoothly.
I'd like it if we could go a little faster in terms of possible time
wasting, to get it done in roughly 45 mins - but if we are talking, I
certainly won't cut things off.
Thanks,
Sean
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Hi all,
I've had a read through the log from the meeting I missed last week
and I have some thoughts to share on what was discussed, so I thought
I'd send them to the mailing list. As I have said I won't be able to
attend tonight either, and I'm sorry about that. Hopefully you can
still do okay, but we'll see what comes out of this message first. I
think that this is probably important enough (if I may say so!) for
you to reply straight back to the list rather than me personally, if
you wish to.
I don't know how much Cary knows about Sandy's current status, and I
do not wish to pry unnecessarily. However, it is clear that we are
going to have to adapt to her not being around in order to be more
useful to Wikimedia. Right now I think we're hovering a bit, not
really knowing what to do without her. Whilst we obviously can't speak
for her, I'd like to propose that we try and reorganise a bit with the
presumption that she will not be back for some time, because I believe
that is what she would wish us to do. This is because we want to get
stuff done.
This brings us on to the question of leadership. When Sandy asked me
to co-ordinate the group I didn't really know what to expect, but now
after working with the group for some time and after what I have seen
discussed in the log and assuming that I have interpreted it
correctly, I think I know what I need to do. I would like to act more
as a chair than simply a co-ordinator, and I use this term because I
refer specifically to other successful committees around Wikimedia:
enwiki's Mediation Committee works very well with a chair and tight
team and I think we could create a similar environment. However, I
need to know that you're all okay with me trying to be more proactive
before I do anything :)
I think that Cary is right in that we need to formulate a decent
mission statement or some form of structure that we can cycle through
to get projects etc. completed. However, I think that before we work
on that we first need to sort out a better method of communicating. As
some of you know I'm a freenode staff member and we have all observed
on multiple occasions that IRC isn't good enough on its own (despite
the fact we're trying to run an IRC network) and must be complemented
by other means. So, my proposition is that e-mail is used as a
constructive discussion environment and then if certain people working
on specific projects want to have an IRC session, they can then do so.
I would argue that the current weekly meeting idea isn't working well
enough. We could still have it, but I would like to make it of less
importance. I know that Sandy wasn't keen on the idea of using the
list in this way, but I would argue we need to change until she gets
back, and then re-evaluate things.
So, after that ramble, what do you all think? :-)
Sean
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Discussion via email is too difficult to keep track of and follow etc. - I propose EVERYONE discuss public matters on the discussion page at, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communication_Projects_Group - that is the aim of the discussion page and, that is the reason for there being little progress, all talk, no work! Lets begin as soon as possible - no one will be hurt if you go ahead - right now we are going nowhere!thanx Deni (aka. user:symode09)
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Hmm, I agree that probably won't happen here. I believe the issue she
highlighted was too much for her to read on top of all the other
lists.
So, do we change the settings on this list?
On 16/05/07, Cary Bass <cbass(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Sean Whitton wrote:
> > What do you mean by browbeating? :)
> >
> > Sean
> Trolling, baiting, insulting, deriding, personal attacks,
> chest-thumping, pissing contests, ego explosions, narcissism... I was
> being nice :)
>
> Cary
>
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