So, we have the following options:
1. Ignore them (pity) 2. Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait Gallery issue, and teach them that these open content wiki people are not to be trusted 3. Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory attribution, which we would do anyway
Personally, I'd go for #3. CC-BY is just one small step up from PD, so I really don't see the practical harm.
(Disclaimer: I am paid by the Wellcome Trust, though indirectly via a research institute, and nowhere near the image division;-)
Cheers, Magnus
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Christoph Braun < christoph.braun.de@gmail.com> wrote:
Our stance on copyright is that digital reproductions of public domain 2D source material is in the public domain, even if your laughable jurisdiction says otherwise.
Regards, Christoph
[1] Position of the WMF: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-Art_tag#The_po... [2] Straw poll, changing our policy on Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-Art_tag/Straw_...
2014/1/21 Edward Summers ehs@pobox.com
I was thinking it would be AmazonTurk-able, but that’s neat there is a service for it. Around $140.00 wouldn’t be a terrible price to pay. Still, it would be nice to avoid it, and have Wellcome be a partner in the effort.
What is “our stance on copyright”?
//Ed
On Jan 21, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Christoph Braun < christoph.braun.de@gmail.com> wrote:
There are plenty of services out there offering to solve captchas for
reasonable prices. Here's one of them: http://www.deathbycaptcha.com/
Then again I think it might be more useful to approach the Wellcome
Library, both for getting easier access to their collection and informing them about our stance on copyright.
Regards, Christoph
2014/1/21 Edward Summers ehs@pobox.com I imagine some of you may have seen that the Wellcome Library announced
yesterday [1] that they have made over 100,000 high resolution images of manuscripts, paintings, etchings, early photography, and advertisements available using a CC-BY license. I was wondering [2] if it is ok to upload CC-BY images to the Commons.
This is mostly in theory since the downloads are sitting behind
reCAPTCHAs and several levels of click throughs — but you never know :-)
//Ed
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http://blog.wellcomelibrary.org/2014/01/thousands-of-years-of-visual-culture...
[2]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Can_I_uplo...
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On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
So, we have the following options:
- Ignore them (pity)
- Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait Gallery issue, and teach them that these open content wiki people are not to be trusted
- Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory attribution, which we would do anyway
Personally, I'd go for #3. CC-BY is just one small step up from PD, so I really don't see the practical harm.
Agreed, #3 definitely seems like the best course of action to try first.
Magnus, I suspect you already saw that I emailed Wellcome’s image folks [1]. If you have any other contacts at Wellcome that could help out please let me know and I will email them directly.
//Ed
oops, I forgot:
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2014-January/007014.html
On Jan 21, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Edward Summers ehs@pobox.com wrote:
On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
So, we have the following options:
- Ignore them (pity)
- Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait Gallery issue, and teach them that these open content wiki people are not to be trusted
- Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory attribution, which we would do anyway
Personally, I'd go for #3. CC-BY is just one small step up from PD, so I really don't see the practical harm.
Agreed, #3 definitely seems like the best course of action to try first.
Magnus, I suspect you already saw that I emailed Wellcome’s image folks [1]. If you have any other contacts at Wellcome that could help out please let me know and I will email them directly.
//Ed
Hi,
1. Ignore them (pity)
- Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait
Gallery issue, and teach them that these open content wiki people are not to be trusted 3. Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory attribution, which we would do anyway
Personally, I'd go for #3. CC-BY is just one small step up from PD, so I really don't see the practical harm.
This is not the first time the Commons community deals with such a situation ; I believe standard practice is to use {{Licensed-PD-Art}} [1] which states both #2 & #3.
See for example its use for {{PD-Art-Yale}} [2]
*(“Wikimedia Commons: there’s a template for that.”)*
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Licensed-PD-Art [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-Art-Yale
Hope that helps,
On 21 January 2014 17:20, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
- Ignore them (pity)
- Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait
Gallery issue, and teach them that these open content wiki people are not to be trusted 3. Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory attribution, which we would do anyway
This is not the first time the Commons community deals with such a situation ; I believe standard practice is to use {{Licensed-PD-Art}} [1] which states both #2 & #3. See for example its use for {{PD-Art-Yale}} [2] (“Wikimedia Commons: there’s a template for that.”)
Excellent! I'm glad we can do that now :-) I recall there was resistance to doing something like this before ...
- d.
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
- Ignore them (pity)
- Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait Gallery
issue, and teach them that these open content wiki people are not to be trusted 3. Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory attribution, which we would do anyway
4. upload them, indicating that Wellcome Trust has labeled them CC-by and add - wherever appropriate - PD-old tags. In the long run, we have to deal anyway with stuff that has been (legitimately) released under cc-by but has later turned into pd-old.
Regarding 3: In most cases, people are willing to attribute the source because of their editorial or community standards.
Mathias