Yes, of course I'm happy to help with discussion, or to run the entire
upload.
Fae
On 22 Jan 2014 14:13, "Edward Summers" <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
Good news. I received an email back from Catherine Draycott who is the
Head of
Wellcome Images. She said that they were very much interested in
uploading Wellcome's CC-BY images to the Commons, and suggested we talk on
the phone. I was going to suggest that we:
a) get the project described at [1]
b) coordinate work here on commons-l
c) talk to the GLAMToolset [2] folks who have been working with Europeana
and other
GLAM organizations to bulk upload images
d) think about how Wellcome's Wikipedia in
Residence [3] could help
facilitate the upload
Does that sound like a reasonable way to proceed? If anyone else would
like to be
on the call let me know. If there is a Commons veteran who has
experience with bulk uploading and is willing to work with the Wellcome
Trust in a constructive way I’m willing to just tag along on the call and
let them take the reigns as it were.
https://cancer-research-uk-jobs.tal.net/vx/appcentre-External/brand-2/candi…
On Jan 21, 2014, at 6:43 PM, Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I see this was also announced on the WM-UK blog -
http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2014/01/wellcome-images-freely-releases-100000…
> I've copied in Jonathan who is the WMUK GLAM
coordinator in case he's
had any involvement in Wellcome's announcement.
Perhaps he can lend insight?
>
> I've worked on quite a few image-release negotiations and it is
possible
that this has been done this way through honest mistake, through
justifed fears, through meddling of the legal/marketing departments.... I
quite like Andy Mabbett's comment on Wellcome's blog announcement, sums up
the problems (legal and technological) quite well in my opinion:
>
> "It’s great to have these images available, digitally, but why are you
claiming copyright over, and to be the original source of, artworks and
images from books which are already in the public domain? Why have you
added a strapline underneath each image? And why is the precess of
downloading high resolution versions of these public-domain works so
tortuous, with a CAPTCHA, irrelevant terms & condition, and zipped files –
why not make them available directly?" - (comment no.3)
http://blog.wellcomelibrary.org/2014/01/thousands-of-years-of-visual-cultur…
> I also agree with Andy's response here - to
chose option 2b - take the
images that we can, label them as PD and *politely*
explain (preferably in
person) why we do not legally recognise their CC-BY claim even though we
WILL make every effort to attribute properly. While we're at it, I would
point Wellcome to the Europeana PD charter
http://pro.europeana.eu/web/europeana-project/public-domain-charter-en
>
> -Liam
>
>
>
wittylama.com
> Peace, love & metadata
>
>
> On 22 January 2014 09:42, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:
> On 21 January 2014 16:53, Magnus Manske
<magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
>
> > So, we have the following options:
> >
> > 1. Ignore them (pity)
>
> Not going to happen; note work-in-progress, and discussion, at:
>
>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Batch_uploading/Wellcome_Images_…
>
> > 2. Upload them as public domain and re-iterate the National Portrait
Gallery
> > issue, and teach them that these open
content wiki people are not to
be
> > trusted
>
> 2b politely explain to WT that their licence statement is in error,
> and why, and that even if people in the UK abide by it, it is
> unenforceable internationally.
>
> > 3. Label them CC-BY so the Wellcome Trust can get a mandatory
attribution,
which we would do anyway
No, for the reasons stated by Christoph, and in the Commons discussion
cited above. And we would not advise re-users that the attribution is
mandatory.
--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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