Hello all,
It seems to me we haven't added any new file formats/types for a while now. Are there any we should work on adding? Are there any reasons we shouldn't add them?
- something for Blender? (sth. like game environments if my impression is correct) - SMIL? (open standard alternative to Powerpoint, I think) - Open Office 2 formats? - what would be best for animations? I would find it hard to believe that GIF is optimal...
TIFF was mentioned on wikitech-l recently. The comment was made that anything TIFF should really be a better format: jpg for photographs and djvu for scans, and maybe png for anything else. TIFF tiles are typically huge and all those options are much smaller.
Someone else commented on the VP that we have no documentation on DjVu which I found to be true, from how to create DJvu files, to how to use them in MediaWiki. I had a look on mediawiki.org and couldn't find anything too useful either. So any hints here would be appreciated.
cheers, Brianna
On 02/10/2007, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me we haven't added any new file formats/types for a while now. Are there any we should work on adding? Are there any reasons we shouldn't add them?
- something for Blender? (sth. like game environments if my impression
is correct)
- SMIL? (open standard alternative to Powerpoint, I think)
- Open Office 2 formats?
- what would be best for animations? I would find it hard to believe
that GIF is optimal...
Anything that is an unencumbered and documented format (or, as with XCF, at least has open source code) that doesn't contain active content (i.e. code), or can be cleansed of such, I would think.
Do we have such a written standard of what constitutes a suitable format?
- d.
Brianna Laugher a écrit :
Hello all,
...
Someone else commented on the VP that we have no documentation on DjVu which I found to be true, from how to create DJvu files, to how to use them in MediaWiki. I had a look on mediawiki.org and couldn't find anything too useful either. So any hints here would be appreciated.
We already have that in French on French Wikisource. http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Aide:Cr%C3%A9er_un_fichier_DjVu It just needs to be copied to Commons and translated. And there is a {{djvu}} template.
cheers, Brianna
Regards,
Yann
I have more or less translated the page. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Creating_a_DjVu_file
I am surprised that this page is focused on MS-Windows and proprietary software. It addresses trivial questions of opening and saving file in different format to convert them in a very typical Microsoft way :
"Tiff files from Gallica can be opened in FineReader (even after the evaluation period is over). By exporting the pages into tiff (same format), it is possible to crop the margins with XnView."
We might want to write something more rational.
On 10/2/07, Yann Forget yann@forget-me.net wrote:
Brianna Laugher a écrit :
Hello all,
...
Someone else commented on the VP that we have no documentation on DjVu which I found to be true, from how to create DJvu files, to how to use them in MediaWiki. I had a look on mediawiki.org and couldn't find anything too useful either. So any hints here would be appreciated.
We already have that in French on French Wikisource. http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Aide:Cr%C3%A9er_un_fichier_DjVu It just needs to be copied to Commons and translated. And there is a {{djvu}} template.
cheers, Brianna
Regards,
Yann
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Hello,
Rama Rama a écrit :
I have more or less translated the page. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Creating_a_DjVu_file
I am surprised that this page is focused on MS-Windows and proprietary software. It addresses trivial questions of opening and saving file in different format to convert them in a very typical Microsoft way :
"Tiff files from Gallica can be opened in FineReader (even after the evaluation period is over). By exporting the pages into tiff (same format), it is possible to crop the margins with XnView."
We might want to write something more rational.
This page was written mostly by Marc for Windows users. Actually I am still a beginner on creating DJVU files on Linux and/or with free software. Of course, that information needs to be added.
Regards,
Yann
Thankyou very much Yann and Rama!! I had a feeling there was a page of documentation in some European language. ;)
Now we have a good start.
cheers, Brianna
On 02/10/2007, Yann Forget yann@forget-me.net wrote:
Brianna Laugher a écrit :
Hello all,
...
Someone else commented on the VP that we have no documentation on DjVu which I found to be true, from how to create DJvu files, to how to use them in MediaWiki. I had a look on mediawiki.org and couldn't find anything too useful either. So any hints here would be appreciated.
We already have that in French on French Wikisource. http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Aide:Cr%C3%A9er_un_fichier_DjVu It just needs to be copied to Commons and translated. And there is a {{djvu}} template.
cheers, Brianna
Regards,
Yann
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Brianna Laugher wrote:
- Open Office 2 formats?
de.wikiversity has recently been having problems not being able to upload OpenDocuments http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-September/000373.html (Bug 2089) Having a more robust file type detection before adding new formats would be interesting (bug 10823)
"Platonides" Platonides@gmail.com wrote on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:06 PM:
Brianna Laugher wrote:
- Open Office 2 formats?
de.wikiversity has recently been having problems not being able to upload OpenDocuments http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-September/000373.html (Bug 2089) Having a more robust file type detection before adding new formats would be interesting (bug 10823)
OpenOffice 2.3 is able to export to MediaWiki. Why should we allow OOo formats?
Regards,
Flo
On 06/10/2007, Florian Straub flominator@gmx.net wrote:
"Platonides" Platonides@gmail.com wrote on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:06
Brianna Laugher wrote:
- Open Office 2 formats?
de.wikiversity has recently been having problems not being able to upload OpenDocuments http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/comproj/2007-September/000373.html (Bug 2089) Having a more robust file type detection before adding new formats would be interesting (bug 10823)
OpenOffice 2.3 is able to export to MediaWiki. Why should we allow OOo formats?
Because the conversion is lossy as anything, and having original documents is very useful.
(Can ODFs contain damaging active content? If so, can this be cleansed?)
- d.
On 10/2/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
- something for Blender? (sth. like game environments if my impression
is correct)
COLLADA would be nice, it's an open exchange format for 3D data. Brion reviewed it before; there's some complexity in keeping the files sane, but it should be doable with some coordinated effort.
On 10/2/07, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
there's some complexity in keeping the files sane,
What do you mean? Does it use to be corrupted by the applications?
This is roughly what I remember: There was apparently lack of standardized compression, and a problem with references pointing to files outside the one you upload (i.e. lack of data encapsulation). Also there wasn't any standard method to validate those files. But I may misremember.