Hi folks, 0. intro/about Wikimania 1. POTY07 2. 1000FP book 3. Project with Wikimedia Israel 4. Goals statement 5. Tech 6. SVGs 7. FLOSS Manuals 8. Joi, CC 9. Licenses, GFDL, GSFDL drafts (long) I'm back now from Wikimania. It was a really exciting event, and just so cool to be able to speak to so many different people about lots of different things. I will write below a summary of some of the Commons-related things I talked to people about. Florence used a slide of the Wikimedia logo mosaic in her opening speech. I felt very proud for us :) and I still think that was a great project. I think maybe it made a good impression on the board in terms of our relationship with them. I gave a 'Commons HOWTO tutorial' which started with about a dozen people attending and by the end there was another dozen or two. I talked briefly about how Commons works, deriv works, licenses, categories, CommonSense tool, Mayflower, Extra-tabs.js (although I didn't call it that, and one person commented that they had never seen them before - we DO have them installed for EVERYONE, right??). We did a transfer of an image from en.wp to Commons. We got some tough questions like 'I'm uploading these for my wife - what should I do vis-a-vis permission?' (I said ask her to send you a confirmation email. This case of genuine verbal permission is tricky to handle.) It was fun. BTW I hope next time that a lot more Commoners are there. :) This was more or less your Commons representation: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Wikimania_2007_Commons_puzzle_piece… It was super fun, and anyone who is a 'wikiholic' should at the very least apply for a scholarship!! ==POTY07== I will post separately about this. But I think we should start getting into gear or at least thinking about things. I think we should close submissions by the end of Nov, hold two weeks of voting, and use the results to make calendar/s. I also think we should have 12-15 different categories of voting and more or less use those as the calendar pictures. ==1000FP book== I did a 5-min lightning talk mentioning the idea about the 1000FP talk and Evan P... (Wikitravel guy) was there. He told me he knew that Flickr had done some partnership with Blurb.com (print on demand) with a book called something like '24 hours on Flickr'. And apparently they are interested in this kind of 'new technology' internet stuff. So I'm going to try and talk to Blurb and see what they think. Blurb was something I originally thought might work because print-on-demand saves a lot of hassle like worrying about sales numbers, and Blurb also have a special template for photobooks. Let's face it if you're going to make a photobook you really want decent print quality. I think we should try to distribute books (of Wikimedian works)+CDs (with all 1000FP). According to CatScan we are up to 913. I now think that instead of asking/wishing for the board to promote us, we need to force them to have to talk about us by creating the interest ourselves. I really think this project could create some serious interest. And maybe if enough proceeds go to the WMF, then we can demand with a little more conviction that they should be earmarked for Commons-specific development. :) Reminder: if you're interested in book development, please join http://groups.google.com/group/commonsbook . ==Project with Wikimedia Israel== I spent some time talking to a lovely chap named Dror (User:Drork) who describes himself as the "foreign minister" of the Wikimedia Israel chapter. Their chapter is planning to start a big project with another company in Israel to ask people to look for historically significant images in their private collections and donate them to the public domain. (Israel is having some anniversaries so it is timely for them.) He basically wanted to know that such images would be welcome in Commons. I said of course! Then we discussed about how the images should be collected. We decided it would be better if the images were submitted to a gateway before being added to Commons. The organisation that he is working with is willing to write the open source SW to collect all the structured data that they want to collect (and also deal with hebrew, arabic etc interface stuff which we do poorly at best). So the idea at the moment is that their partner org will write this interface, we will install it on the toolserver, and from there it can be appropriately formatted etc and go into Commons. So we have quite a few toolserver users working for Commons, that won't be a problem I think, just thought that was a pretty cool project. They plan to run a pilot project and if it's successful (they don't know what kind of stuff people will even submit), then a full-on project may run for like a year. ==Goals statement== I am even more convinced now that having a clear goals/aims statement will help guide the growth of the wiki by providing direction. So I plan to try and work on this. If you are interested in it then let me know (or keep an eye on my userspace :)). ==Tech== I spent a little time talking to Tim Starling about Commons' tech priorities and even showed him the Mayflower search engine which he was unaware of (!). I intend to write up a summary for wikitech-l about what I consider are Commons' tech priorities. One of them will be replacing/integrating Mayflower as our search engine. I really consider this a major priority for us. ==SVGs== Apparently the Inkscape founder went to Wikimania. I only found this out at the airport as I was leaving. :( I am thinking of trying to contact him to make them aware of the work we are doing with SVGs, because as far as I can see no one else anywhere is doing the kind of things we do with them. Surely someone somewhere must care! :P ==FLOSS Manuals== I ended up spending quite a bit of time talking to Adam from FLOSS Manuals. http://flossmanuals.net/ He gave me a copy of their first printed manual on Audacity. Part of their thing is really concentrating on high-quality documentation. I suggested a chapter on how to edit human voice recordings would be really useful for Wikimedians. He told me they use TWiki. If you check out their site and the section called 'Remix' you can see how it's possible to pick and choose particular chapters to be included in a print-on-demand book. Now this is amazingly cool. I imagine a really useful thing - FLOSS Manuals having a 'Wikimedia Commons Media Handbook' with chapters on Inkscape & GIMP, and Audacity & Ogg Theora (same book? separate book?). Now our Images for Cleanup people already know a lot of this stuff. If Commons people think something like this could be useful, I will let them know there is interest in it. If Commons people are interested in writing for it, that's all the better I think. I think he is even trying to get sponsorship to be able to retrospectively pay contributors. I think there's just great power in having something in your hands to demonstrate what you're doing and help spread the word, convince others. Those of us who find this kind of tech second nature are a very small minority. ==Joi, CC== Joi gave a speech about the 'sharing economy' and I managed to talk to him briefly afterwards, about how I have this feeling that we have this great resource that no one knows anything about. We have the Commons know-how, he has the media contacts, maybe we can make something happen. I think it's a very cool thing that some of the Creative Commons people take part on this list. To me it shows that they are reaching out and want to work with us and I think we should be reaching back too. Wikimedia is a bit insular sometimes... We have much more in common than we do different. ==Licenses, GFDL, GSFDL drafts== So there was actually a surprising number of talks about licenses and licensing. Although there are some of us who know a ton about licenses there are still many of us who don't. So although some of us will feel like we are repeating ourselves it still seems really important that we keep re-iterating the basic messages about how copyright works, how free licenses work, how to use them, etc. I mean at the same time we still have to deal with the nitty-gritty crap like interpreting licenses in different jurisdictions and deriv works and the like. So it's not easy but I think it's really important we keep walking along both lines. I went to this talk http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:MH1 in which I found out a new draft of the GFDL is open for comment at the moment. The new GFDL has a clause about 'excerpts' where an excerpt can be distributed without the full license text. see http://gplv3.fsf.org/fdl-draft-2006-09-22.html clause 6. Bizarrely this mentions how an excerpt of a text document should be interpreted, and an audio and video document, but not an image. Er???? Is it that an excerpt of an image cannot exist? Is an excerpt of an image like a crop, or a thumbnail, or like nothing at all? If 'excerpt' has no meaning the field of images then they should explicitly say that, I think. The other complaint I have about this new draft is that the wording is still oriented to text documents (and even very long ones at that), despite the fact that they acknowledge other works can and are used. How should a 'title page' be interpreted in terms of an image? I intend to make a comment asking them to reword such things or else explicitly state the interpretation of the terms for various media. It also has this important clause 8a: "If the Work has no Cover Texts and no Invariant Sections then you may relicense the Work under the GNU Simpler Free Documentation License." So maybe we (Wikimedia) could have this: (now) GFDL1.2 -> GFDL2 -> GSFDL === CC-BY-SA? OK why is this important? Creative Commons' goals are not necessarily ours, etc etc. I think this is a direction we should try to go forward in because in essence we have the same goals, and keeping distinct licenses for no good reason makes understanding the situation unnecessarily complex, and thus harms our ability to communicate our mission and vision to as wide an audience as possible. Note 'no good reason'. If good reasons exist, we should keep the distinctions. Is the 'fulltext-copy' condition of the GFDL a good reason? I don't recall ever seeing anyone put forward a reason why it's actually vitally necessary. So, GSFDL. The GSFDL currently has a very stupid clause called '0a. FREE MANUALS ARE ESSENTIAL'. When they just acknowledged that the license can be used for even non-text works, I dislike the inclusion of this unnecessary clause a lot. The GSFDL also has the 'Excerpts' thing. The main difference between the GFDL and the GSFDL is this in the GSFDL: "You need not include a copy of this License in the Work if you have registered the work's license with a national agency that maintains a network server through which the general public can find out its license." Hm, I don't know quite what that implies, but hopefully it leads to a situation of not needing to copy the license fulltext with each use. That was my impression from the talk. regards Brianna user:pfctdayelise -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/