Of tangential interest: http://bayimg.com/
Apparently "completely uncensored". ("We will not remove any pictures that are just immoral or in any way legal to host under Swedish law." - well, still seems like they'll have a lot of removing to do, to me.)
They use a tag system - e.g. http://bayimg.com/tag/background .
uploading is ultra quick.
cheers Brianna user:pfctdayelise
Uh... ok.
On 6/21/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Of tangential interest: http://bayimg.com/
Apparently "completely uncensored". ("We will not remove any pictures that are just immoral or in any way legal to host under Swedish law."
- well, still seems like they'll have a lot of removing to do, to me.)
They use a tag system - e.g. http://bayimg.com/tag/background .
uploading is ultra quick.
cheers Brianna user:pfctdayelise
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On 6/21/07, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
Uh... ok.
The tag system appears to be completely useless, since some images seem to have had every popular tag applied whether it is accurate or no. Hmm.
-Matt
On 21/06/07, Matthew Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/21/07, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
Uh... ok.
The tag system appears to be completely useless, since some images seem to have had every popular tag applied whether it is accurate or no. Hmm.
Hello, "tag spam".
Flickr must do something to filter it out. or maybe just having a community orientation is enough to discourage it.
cheers Brianna
On 6/21/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Flickr must do something to filter it out. or maybe just having a community orientation is enough to discourage it.
Too many tags knocks down your "interestingness" ranking and reduces your chances of being seen, as does submitting to too many groups. That and social pressure seems to do the trick.
What bugs me in Flickr is people who are too lazy to tag their pictures individually and tag a whole uploaded set - sometimes hundreds of pictures - with every tag that's valid for at least one image in it. So you'll get a whole set of family photos that are tagged 'train' because there's a train in one of them. And these people get really aggressive if you politely ask them not to do that. I'm not sure what the point is of what they're doing, either. If they're not tagging accurately, I can't see how it's even useful for them. It's like they're tagging as a ritual devoid of meaning.
-Matt
On 6/21/07, Matthew Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
What bugs me in Flickr is people who are too lazy to tag their pictures individually and tag a whole uploaded set - sometimes hundreds of pictures - with every tag that's valid for at least one image in it. So you'll get a whole set of family photos that are tagged 'train' because there's a train in one of them.
I actually caught my dad doing this and "interviewed" him about it because it bothers me also. Turns out I think it's more a problem with the uploader and the interface than any malevolence on their part. He didn't really understand the concept of tags completely, but saw the box there and had a rough idea. I think for users like this they aren't thinking of tags as ways to help anyone, just something that needs to be entered since the box is there.
The concept should probably either be explained to people like this better, or the interface elements not made so obvious, so that people that don't really know what tags are don't feel obligated to enter something.
Judson [[:en:User:Cohesion]]
On 6/21/07, Matthew Brown morven@gmail.com wrote:
The tag system appears to be completely useless, since some images seem to have had every popular tag applied whether it is accurate or no. Hmm.
I would think that would be a problem with most tag systems at some point or another, although maybe if Commons had one it wouldn't be such a problem because the selection of tags would be editable.
On a tangent, what do some of the Commons regulars think of the system Facebook has for tagging people in photos? That would seem to be an application that would be very useful for Commons.
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On a tangent, what do some of the Commons regulars think of the system Facebook has for tagging people in photos? That would seem to be an application that would be very useful for Commons.
Is there a description for non-facebook-users? Or do I have to become a member?
Magnus
On 6/21/07, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On a tangent, what do some of the Commons regulars think of the system Facebook has for tagging people in photos? That would seem to be an application that would be very useful for Commons.
Is there a description for non-facebook-users? Or do I have to become a member?
Users place the tags directly onto the image; the effect is similar to a HTML image map. They click on a person in the picture, and enter the name of the person as the tag, and the coordinates are stored. Then users viewing the photo roll over the tag and see a frame appear over the image at the coordinates specified.
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
Users place the tags directly onto the image; the effect is similar to a HTML image map. They click on a person in the picture, and enter the name of the person as the tag, and the coordinates are stored. Then users viewing the photo roll over the tag and see a frame appear over the image at the coordinates specified.
Wikia has an image tagging feature that sounds a lot like what you're describing. See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Leiadeathstar.jpg for an example.
Each image has a "tag this image" link which lets you click on a part of the image and add a tag, which is a link to an article. You can search by tags http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:TaggedImages?q=Han%20Solo and there's a log to show who added what http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/tag.
It's very much in beta right now, but if anyone would find it a useful addition to Commons, we're happy to make that available under the GPL.
Angela
On 30/06/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Wikia has an image tagging feature that sounds a lot like what you're describing. See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Leiadeathstar.jpg for an example.
(...)
It's very much in beta right now, but if anyone would find it a useful addition to Commons, we're happy to make that available under the GPL.
My, that's wonderful! I'd love to see that as part of MediaWiki generally, and I'm sure Commons could find a use for it.
(I am sorely tempted to try to sell this to my boss, who's looking for something maintainable as an annotable photo archive... must make a note of it. Please pass my praise to whoever's coding it!)
On 01/07/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
Users place the tags directly onto the image; the effect is similar to a HTML image map. They click on a person in the picture, and enter the name of the person as the tag, and the coordinates are stored. Then users viewing the photo roll over the tag and see a frame appear over the image at the coordinates specified.
Wikia has an image tagging feature that sounds a lot like what you're describing. See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Leiadeathstar.jpg for an example.
Each image has a "tag this image" link which lets you click on a part of the image and add a tag, which is a link to an article. You can search by tags http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:TaggedImages?q=Han%20Solo and there's a log to show who added what http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/tag.
It's very much in beta right now, but if anyone would find it a useful addition to Commons, we're happy to make that available under the GPL.
Hell YEAH :D Of course, the likelihood of getting it accepted by devs and actually *enabled* are two more barriers...
I look forward to seeing TaggedImages develop on Wikia.
cheers Brianna
On 7/1/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/07/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
It's very much in beta right now, but if anyone would find it a useful addition to Commons, we're happy to make that available under the GPL.
Hell YEAH :D Of course, the likelihood of getting it accepted by devs and actually *enabled* are two more barriers...
There's also a bit of a performance barrier right now. We had to turn off Special:TaggedImages for performance reasons yesterday, so it will need some work if it's going to be used on Wikimedia.
Angela
On 7/2/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/1/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
On 01/07/07, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
It's very much in beta right now, but if anyone would find it a useful addition to Commons, we're happy to make that available under the GPL.
Hell YEAH :D Of course, the likelihood of getting it accepted by devs and actually *enabled* are two more barriers...
There's also a bit of a performance barrier right now. We had to turn off Special:TaggedImages for performance reasons yesterday, so it will need some work if it's going to be used on Wikimedia.
That's surprising. I was about to hack my own version when I read about the wikia extension, thinking "oh, great, it's done already".
I'll probably take a shot at it later today. I envision adding tags and their coordinates in a template that wraps the data into invisible divs. JavaScript then parses these tags and displays the boxes. Categories generated by the template are used to find images with these tags. Visual creation of boxes can come later :-)
That would have * zero impact on performance (except a few more categories, which I guess we can handle) * no need to install an extension or change the software * entirely changable/configurable by commons admins through editing template/javascript
The only decision to make is probably this: Should this use "normal" categories (e.g., generate [[Category:Han Solo]] on the death star image), or special ones (e.g., [[Category:Imagebox - Han Solo]])? Or should it link to a gallery page instead (e.g., [[Han Solo]])? Or both?
Magnus
Magnus Manske writes:
That would have
- zero impact on performance (except a few more categories, which I
guess we can handle)
- no need to install an extension or change the software
- entirely changable/configurable by commons admins through editing
template/javascript
People may want to have it on articles too (eg. i add Human.svg on an article and want to highlight the parts of the boddy) so it'd need to be done with an extension (db-compatible with TaggedImages?). Alternatively, it could provide an output to feed the tags for imagemap.
On 7/2/07, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Magnus Manske writes:
That would have
- zero impact on performance (except a few more categories, which I
guess we can handle)
- no need to install an extension or change the software
- entirely changable/configurable by commons admins through editing
template/javascript
People may want to have it on articles too (eg. i add Human.svg on an article and want to highlight the parts of the boddy) so it'd need to be done with an extension (db-compatible with TaggedImages?).
But people do not always get what they want ;-)
Well, it could generate said categories as e.g. (on human.svg) [[Category:Knee|Human.svg (box:10,10,20,20)]] JavaScript could check for these for each image on the page. Might be JS overkill, though.
Alternatively, it could provide an output to feed the tags for imagemap.
Interesting. I'll think about that one.
Magnus
Magnus Manske wrote:
Well, it could generate said categories as e.g. (on human.svg) [[Category:Knee|Human.svg (box:10,10,20,20)]] JavaScript could check for these for each image on the page. Might be JS overkill, though.
I took me a while to understand what you mean with this. I was thinking in including into an article (maybe with a tagged parameter), not into the automatic preview on categories. Interesting thought, though quite open for category abusing.
On 7/2/07, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
Magnus Manske wrote:
Well, it could generate said categories as e.g. (on human.svg) [[Category:Knee|Human.svg (box:10,10,20,20)]] JavaScript could check for these for each image on the page. Might be JS overkill, though.
I took me a while to understand what you mean with this. I was thinking in including into an article (maybe with a tagged parameter), not into the automatic preview on categories. Interesting thought, though quite open for category abusing.
Oh, I think now I see what /you/ meant :-)
I thought you thought to display all "marking boxes" that are encoded in an image description in each article that contains that image.
So I thought it would be faster to add the coordinates to the category sort key, because that is much easier to access from javascript.
What you actually meant (i think...) was to add "marking boxes" for an image on an article that actually uses it, and to show them only there. Correct?
Anyway, I'm already done with the basic box-display-based-on-article-html thing. I might demo a version on one of my own images on commons today or tomorrow. Note that for people not using my demo javascript, the whole thing will be completely invisible, except for a template or two in the image description source.
Magnus
Angela wrote:
Wikia has an image tagging feature that sounds a lot like what you're describing. See http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Leiadeathstar.jpg for an example.
Annoying at first the difference with flickr's when i tried to put the mouse over them. MAybe user experience can be improved.
Each image has a "tag this image" link which lets you click on a part of the image and add a tag, which is a link to an article. You can search by tags http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:TaggedImages?q=Han%20Solo
"You have requested an invalid special page" Maybe because i'm not logged in?
It's very much in beta right now, but if anyone would find it a useful addition to Commons, we're happy to make that available under the GPL.
Please, do. Wikia develops useful extensions, but when we have similar needings on Wikimedia projects, usually we don't evenknow about their existence. We also talked some time ago about Special:Minupload when brainstorming about improving the upload process. There's very little information about wikia extensions.
On Jul 1, 2007 9:03 AM, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
Users place the tags directly onto the image; the effect is similar to a HTML image map. They click on a person in the picture, and enter the name of the person as the tag, and the coordinates are stored. Then users viewing the photo roll over the tag and see a frame appear over the image at the coordinates specified.
Wikia has an image tagging feature that sounds a lot like what you're describing.
Rather later than I'd hoped, but this is now finally in SVN. It could be useful for Commons. http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ImageTagging/
There's an example here: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Sydney_for_image_tagging_demo.jpg
Angela
On Nov 15, 2007 2:48 PM, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Rather later than I'd hoped, but this is now finally in SVN. It could be useful for Commons. http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ImageTagging/
There's an example here: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Sydney_for_image_tagging_demo.jpg
Nice! One feature that would be nice would be a rollover on the image where a tag is located; that is, a tag becomes visible either when a person rolls over the name of the tag, or rolls over the area of the image that has been tagged, if that makes sense.
On Nov 15, 2007 3:56 AM, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 15, 2007 2:48 PM, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Rather later than I'd hoped, but this is now finally in SVN. It could be useful for Commons. http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/ImageTagging/
There's an example here: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Sydney_for_image_tagging_demo.jpg
Nice! One feature that would be nice would be a rollover on the image where a tag is located; that is, a tag becomes visible either when a person rolls over the name of the tag, or rolls over the area of the image that has been tagged, if that makes sense.
Why not use the existing category system for tags, and JavaScript for "rollover"? http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Valeriana_officinalis_2...
Cheers, Magnus
Why not use the existing category system for tags, and JavaScript for "rollover"? http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Valeriana_officinalis_2...
Yeah, Magnus' contraption is already usable on commons. It just hasn't had its breakthrough yet. I find the limitation to categories to be a hindrance. I'd prefer arbitrary Wikilinks (or even multiple language links to Wikipedias per tag). This would dramatically increase the number of taggable objects per image and make tagging more attractive IMO.
On Nov 15, 2007 1:58 PM, Daniel Schwen lists@schwen.de wrote:
Why not use the existing category system for tags, and JavaScript for "rollover"? http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Valeriana_officinalis_2...
Yeah, Magnus' contraption is already usable on commons. It just hasn't had its breakthrough yet. I find the limitation to categories to be a hindrance. I'd prefer arbitrary Wikilinks (or even multiple language links to Wikipedias per tag). This would dramatically increase the number of taggable objects per image and make tagging more attractive IMO.
No technical problem there. It's just that categories provide an easier "backlink".
Cheers, Magnus
On 21/06/07, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On a tangent, what do some of the Commons regulars think of the system Facebook has for tagging people in photos? That would seem to be an application that would be very useful for Commons.
Is there a description for non-facebook-users? Or do I have to become a member?
I independently came up with, and sort-of worked out how to build, a system like that one... and then someone said to me, as I was explaining my wonderful idea, "what, you mean like Facebook"? I hadn't used it, but they helpfully showed me... I felt a little silly :-)
Basically, you take a photo, you allow people to click somewhere on it and tag that point as being a named person. It can then use this to find all photos with a certain person in, or "name" the person (via mouseover?) when looking at the photo.
It has various elegant applications if you want to take it to the next level - the idea I was thinking of was for archival photograph databases, where you could select a little rectangle around the face and tag it. Later, you could ask the system "show me Joe Smith" and have it generate a set of all these headshots to help figure out whether or not he appeared in an unlabelled image...
Are you guys talking about FotoNotes or what? Because Flickr already does that. It sounds very like FotoNotes. http://www.fotonotes.net/
Probably MW could do it too (there's an API), if someone wrote an extension................................
:)
cheers Brianna
On 21/06/07, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/06/07, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On a tangent, what do some of the Commons regulars think of the system Facebook has for tagging people in photos? That would seem to be an application that would be very useful for Commons.
Is there a description for non-facebook-users? Or do I have to become a member?
I independently came up with, and sort-of worked out how to build, a system like that one... and then someone said to me, as I was explaining my wonderful idea, "what, you mean like Facebook"? I hadn't used it, but they helpfully showed me... I felt a little silly :-)
Basically, you take a photo, you allow people to click somewhere on it and tag that point as being a named person. It can then use this to find all photos with a certain person in, or "name" the person (via mouseover?) when looking at the photo.
It has various elegant applications if you want to take it to the next level - the idea I was thinking of was for archival photograph databases, where you could select a little rectangle around the face and tag it. Later, you could ask the system "show me Joe Smith" and have it generate a set of all these headshots to help figure out whether or not he appeared in an unlabelled image...
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On 6/21/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Are you guys talking about FotoNotes or what? Because Flickr already does that. It sounds very like FotoNotes. http://www.fotonotes.net/
Probably MW could do it too (there's an API), if someone wrote an extension................................
:)
If someone then could make sure its used... :-)
Magnus
On 6/21/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Are you guys talking about FotoNotes or what? Because Flickr already does that. It sounds very like FotoNotes. http://www.fotonotes.net/
It's basically a less complicated version of that, directed more at simple tagging than complex annotation.
Probably MW could do it too (there's an API), if someone wrote an extension................................
For an implementation in a wiki we'd probably just use some javascript to generate wikitext defining the tags. It wouldn't even need to be in an extension if it were just done with some fancy templates.
Does this kind of functionality sound useful?
Don't we already have tagging on Commons called "categories"? Why do we need to reinvent a wheel we already invented?
-ilya
On 6/21/07, Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/21/07, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Are you guys talking about FotoNotes or what? Because Flickr already does that. It sounds very like FotoNotes. http://www.fotonotes.net/
It's basically a less complicated version of that, directed more at simple tagging than complex annotation.
Probably MW could do it too (there's an API), if someone wrote an extension................................
For an implementation in a wiki we'd probably just use some javascript to generate wikitext defining the tags. It wouldn't even need to be in an extension if it were just done with some fancy templates.
Does this kind of functionality sound useful?
-- Stephen Bain stephen.bain@gmail.com
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On 21/06/07, Ilya Haykinson haykinson@gmail.com wrote:
Don't we already have tagging on Commons called "categories"? Why do we need to reinvent a wheel we already invented?
This allows in-image notation. It's all very well to upload a picture of a dozen people clustered around a table and say "this photo contains A and B on the left, and C is the one behind the potted plant, and F on the right-hand side turned partly away from the camera..." - but there are great advantages, potentially, to being able to note that directly on the image.
But in reality, I think it's a build-it-and-they-will-come situation; if you implement something, people will find an interesting and novel use for it. Witness all the fun stuff people do with categories...
On 22/06/07, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
But in reality, I think it's a build-it-and-they-will-come situation; if you implement something, people will find an interesting and novel use for it. Witness all the fun stuff people do with categories...
I agree. Imagine what Featured Picture Candidates might be like. Or detailed diagrams.
cheers Brianna
Brianna Laugher wrote:
On 22/06/07, Andrew Gray wrote:
But in reality, I think it's a build-it-and-they-will-come situation; if you implement something, people will find an interesting and novel use for it. Witness all the fun stuff people do with categories...
I agree. Imagine what Featured Picture Candidates might be like. Or detailed diagrams.
cheers Brianna
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