Re: [Commons-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo

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Samuel Klein

3 Jan 2018 3 Jan '18

1:14 p.m.

Yuck. That said, perhaps we should think about integrating a link to a CC-friendly printshop that can produce prints roughly at cost, perhaps with the WP URL and license on the back. (prints are basically the only service 'fineartamerica' provides.) In the US I use shortrunposters, ~$4 for a 2'x3' print (so, 5% the cost of fineartamerica); I bet there are others. SJ On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON < vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi all, TLDR: someone is stealing WLM photo on https://fineartamerica.com/ profiles/paul-fearn.html?tab=artwork&page=11 :/ Longer story: WMFR just received an OTRS message from a WLM competitor who discovered that someone is wrongly taking credits for its WLM photos (and other WLM files and other files from Commons apparently) on the fineartamerica website. This competitor send a mail to this website and asked if WMFR can help in any way. So now, I'm sending you this mail to know whether you had to deal with things like this or if you have any ideas of what should be done. Cdlt, ~nicolas _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

-- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

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Tuszynski, Jarek W.

3 Jan 3 Jan

1:45 p.m.

New subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo

Paul Fearn<https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/paul-fearn.html> seems to have a little business of selling images from WLM and claiming their authorship. In the past others complained at OTRS (https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom;TicketID=… ). Did anybody tried contacting https://fineartamerica.com/contactus.html?tab=contactus to shut him down? Jarekt From: Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Samuel Klein Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:14 PM To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Cc: Sarah Krichen Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Commons-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo Yuck. That said, perhaps we should think about integrating a link to a CC-friendly printshop that can produce prints roughly at cost, perhaps with the WP URL and license on the back. (prints are basically the only service 'fineartamerica' provides.) In the US I use shortrunposters, ~$4 for a 2'x3' print (so, 5% the cost of fineartamerica); I bet there are others. SJ On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com<mailto:vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, TLDR: someone is stealing WLM photo on https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/paul-fearn.html?tab=artwork&page=11 :/ Longer story: WMFR just received an OTRS message from a WLM competitor who discovered that someone is wrongly taking credits for its WLM photos (and other WLM files and other files from Commons apparently) on the fineartamerica website. This competitor send a mail to this website and asked if WMFR can help in any way. So now, I'm sending you this mail to know whether you had to deal with things like this or if you have any ideas of what should be done. Cdlt, ~nicolas _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266

Ryan Kaldari

2:02 p.m.

New subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo

Wow, that's pretty blatant copyfraud. Anyone who owns those images should have a pretty good case to sue him. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Tuszynski, Jarek W. < JAROSLAW.W.TUSZYNSKI(a)leidos.com> wrote:

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Paul Fearn <https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/paul-fearn.html> seems to have a little business of selling images from WLM and claiming their authorship. In the past others complained at OTRS ( https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action= AgentTicketZoom;TicketID=10017069# ). Did anybody tried contacting https://fineartamerica.com/contactus.html?tab=contactus to shut him down? Jarekt *From:* Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Samuel Klein *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:14 PM *To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List *Cc:* Sarah Krichen *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Commons-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo Yuck. That said, perhaps we should think about integrating a link to a CC-friendly printshop that can produce prints roughly at cost, perhaps with the WP URL and license on the back. (prints are basically the only service 'fineartamerica' provides.) In the US I use shortrunposters, ~$4 for a 2'x3' print (so, 5% the cost of fineartamerica); I bet there are others. SJ On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON < vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, TLDR: someone is stealing WLM photo on https://fineartamerica.com/ profiles/paul-fearn.html?tab=artwork&page=11 :/ Longer story: WMFR just received an OTRS message from a WLM competitor who discovered that someone is wrongly taking credits for its WLM photos (and other WLM files and other files from Commons apparently) on the fineartamerica website. This competitor send a mail to this website and asked if WMFR can help in any way. So now, I'm sending you this mail to know whether you had to deal with things like this or if you have any ideas of what should be done. Cdlt, ~nicolas _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 <(617)%20529-4266> _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Ryan Kaldari

2:43 p.m.

New subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo

I sent a message to website owners via the contact form. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Paul Fearn <https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/paul-fearn.html> seems to have a little business of selling images from WLM and claiming their authorship. In the past others complained at OTRS ( https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTick etZoom;TicketID=10017069# ). Did anybody tried contacting https://fineartamerica.com/contactus.html?tab=contactus to shut him down? Jarekt *From:* Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Samuel Klein *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:14 PM *To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List *Cc:* Sarah Krichen *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Commons-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo Yuck. That said, perhaps we should think about integrating a link to a CC-friendly printshop that can produce prints roughly at cost, perhaps with the WP URL and license on the back. (prints are basically the only service 'fineartamerica' provides.) In the US I use shortrunposters, ~$4 for a 2'x3' print (so, 5% the cost of fineartamerica); I bet there are others. SJ On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON < vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, TLDR: someone is stealing WLM photo on https://fineartamerica.com/pro files/paul-fearn.html?tab=artwork&page=11 :/ Longer story: WMFR just received an OTRS message from a WLM competitor who discovered that someone is wrongly taking credits for its WLM photos (and other WLM files and other files from Commons apparently) on the fineartamerica website. This competitor send a mail to this website and asked if WMFR can help in any way. So now, I'm sending you this mail to know whether you had to deal with things like this or if you have any ideas of what should be done. Cdlt, ~nicolas _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 <(617)%20529-4266> _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Lane Rasberry

2:59 p.m.

New subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo

There has never been a lawsuit for inappropriate reuse of cc media, has there? Does anyone even know of a case of a copyright holder getting paid without a lawsuit in such a case? On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:43 PM Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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I sent a message to website owners via the contact form. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Paul Fearn <https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/paul-fearn.html> seems to have a little business of selling images from WLM and claiming their authorship. In the past others complained at OTRS ( https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom;TicketID=… ). Did anybody tried contacting https://fineartamerica.com/contactus.html?tab=contactus to shut him down? Jarekt *From:* Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Samuel Klein *Sent:* Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:14 PM *To:* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List *Cc:* Sarah Krichen *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Commons-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo Yuck. That said, perhaps we should think about integrating a link to a CC-friendly printshop that can produce prints roughly at cost, perhaps with the WP URL and license on the back. (prints are basically the only service 'fineartamerica' provides.) In the US I use shortrunposters, ~$4 for a 2'x3' print (so, 5% the cost of fineartamerica); I bet there are others. SJ On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON < vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, TLDR: someone is stealing WLM photo on https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/paul-fearn.html?tab=artwork&page=11 :/ Longer story: WMFR just received an OTRS message from a WLM competitor who discovered that someone is wrongly taking credits for its WLM photos (and other WLM files and other files from Commons apparently) on the fineartamerica website. This competitor send a mail to this website and asked if WMFR can help in any way. So now, I'm sending you this mail to know whether you had to deal with things like this or if you have any ideas of what should be done. Cdlt, ~nicolas _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 <(617)%20529-4266> _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

3:12 p.m.

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Lane Rasberry, 03/01/2018 21:59:

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There has never been a lawsuit for inappropriate reuse of cc media, has there?

Several.

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Does anyone even know of a case of a copyright holder getting paid without a lawsuit in such a case?

Sure. It's easier for works released with a non-commercial license and used for blatantly commercial purposes, of course. Federico

gilles.calvino＠laposte.net

3:38 p.m.

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merci gilles calvino ----- Mail d'origine -----De: Lane Rasberry <lane(a)bluerasberry.com>&Agraveamp;Agrave;: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List <commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>Cc>Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>, Sarah Krichen <sarah.krichen(a)wikimedia.fr>Envoy&eacuteamp;eacute;: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 20:59:16 +0100 (CET)Objet: Re: [Commons-l] EXTERNAL: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo There has never been a lawsuit for inappropriate reuse of cc media, has there? Does anyone even know of a case of a copyright holder getting paid without a lawsuit in such a case? On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:43 PM Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: I sent a message to website owners via the contact form. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Wow, that's pretty blatant copyfraud. Anyone who owns those images should have a pretty good case to sue him. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Tuszynski, Jarek W. <JAROSLAW.W.TUSZYNSKI(a)leidos.com> wrote: Paul Fearn seems to have a little business of selling images from WLM and claiming their authorship. In the past others complained at OTRS (https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom;TicketID=… ). Did anybody tried contacting https://fineartamerica.com/contactus.html?tab=contactus to shut him down? Jarekt From: Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Samuel KleinSent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 1:14 PMTo: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition; Wikimedia Commons Discussion ListCc: Sarah KrichenSubject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Commons-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Copyfraud of WLM winners photo Yuck. That said, perhaps we should think about integrating a link to a CC-friendly printshop that can produce prints roughly at cost, perhaps with the WP URL and license on the back. (prints are basically the only service 'fineartamerica' provides.) In the US I use shortrunposters, ~$4 for a 2'x3' print (so, 5% the cost of fineartamerica); I bet there are others. SJ On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi all, TLDR: someone is stealing WLM photo on https://fineartamerica.com/profiles/paul-fearn.html?tab=artwork&page=11 :/ Longer story: WMFR just received an OTRS message from a WLM competitor who discovered that someone is wrongly taking credits for its WLM photos (and other WLM files and other files from Commons apparently) on the fineartamerica website. This competitor send a mail to this website and asked if WMFR can help in any way. So now, I'm sending you this mail to know whether you had to deal with things like this or if you have any ideas of what should be done. Cdlt, ~nicolas _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing listWikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonumentshttp://www.wikilovesmonuments.org -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing listCommons-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing listCommons-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l -- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814lane(a)bluerasberry.com

Gnangarra

9:09 p.m.

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I think this is one instance where the WMF Legal should act on behalf of the all the photographers rather than leave it to individuals who may not have the ability to hire someone. This would set a very clear precedent about sch activities from images Donated to WMF projects, WMF, WLM team, and the wider community have moral obligation to ensure that the rights of those that contributed to the competition are respected. On 4 January 2018 at 04:12, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Lane Rasberry, 03/01/2018 21:59:

There has never been a lawsuit for inappropriate reuse of cc media, has there?

Several.

Does anyone even know of a case of a copyright holder getting paid without a lawsuit in such a case?

Sure. It's easier for works released with a non-commercial license and used for blatantly commercial purposes, of course. Federico _______________________________________________ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

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Lane Rasberry

9 Jan 9 Jan

9:32 a.m.

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Nemo - follow up question, is there a published case study anywhere in any language? I am not aware of WMF legal ever getting involved in these sorts of cases. Chasing copyright violations or managing a project to defend against copyright vio seems more like a project for any Wikimedia chapter or community organization to do, perhaps with WMF grant funding support. Comparable organizations like YouTube, Facebook etc also do not provide direct legal support to their user base and I cannot imagine the wiki community and WMF coming to any agreement for doing this either. I know there are lists on English Wikipedia or somewhere of instances of publications plagiarizing Wikipedia text. I am unable to find the links right now, but I have seen several compilations somewhere. I am not aware of any of those cases going to court either. There is a commercial service at <https://www.pixsy.com/> Their business model is to find reuse of images in violation of copyright then to shake down the thief for cash. Whatever they collect they give half to the copyright holder. If anyone were to advance the cause of Wiki-policing then considering pixsy's model of justice might be a place to start the conversation. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Lane Rasberry, 03/01/2018 21:59:

There has never been a lawsuit for inappropriate reuse of cc media, has there?

Several.

Does anyone even know of a case of a copyright holder getting paid without a lawsuit in such a case?

-- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 lane(a)bluerasberry.com

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