Thank you Jean-Fred for creating this page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Usage_guidelines_for_public_domain...
I've gone ahead and on the basis of Europeana's original guidelineshttp://www.europeana.eu/portal/pd-usage-guide.htmland some of the comments that have been made so far (on both lists) I've attempted to fill out this page on Commons with our own PD usage guidelines. I've summarised it to 6 points:
- Give attribution - Give credit - Show respect - Share - Be aware - Preserve
I have also added in the lead... "Importantly, such a guideline is in no way a legal contract or an attempt to "enclose" the reuse of public domain works; but would indicate a "polite" way to deal with these works. If these principles prevents you from improving Wikimedia projects or sharing cultural heritage, ignore it."
Can I suggest that we take discussions from both cultural-partners-l and commons-l on this issue to the talkpage: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Usage_guidelines_for_public_d...
Sincerely, -Liam
wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata
For the "Show respect" thing, I'd go as far as saying something to the effect of
"do not photograph if it is not allowed, do not use you flash, do not attempt in any way to 'steal' photographs, as the quality will be poor and the short-term thrill and benefits are vastly exceeded by the long-term grudge and lack of confidence that the institution will hold towards us".
-- Rama
On 06/06/2011, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Jean-Fred for creating this page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Usage_guidelines_for_public_domain...
I've gone ahead and on the basis of Europeana's original guidelineshttp://www.europeana.eu/portal/pd-usage-guide.htmland some of the comments that have been made so far (on both lists) I've attempted to fill out this page on Commons with our own PD usage guidelines. I've summarised it to 6 points:
- Give attribution
- Give credit
- Show respect
- Share
- Be aware
- Preserve
I have also added in the lead... "Importantly, such a guideline is in no way a legal contract or an attempt to "enclose" the reuse of public domain works; but would indicate a "polite" way to deal with these works. If these principles prevents you from improving Wikimedia projects or sharing cultural heritage, ignore it."
Can I suggest that we take discussions from both cultural-partners-l and commons-l on this issue to the talkpage: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Usage_guidelines_for_public_d...
Sincerely, -Liam
wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Rama Neko ramaneko@gmail.com wrote:
For the "Show respect" thing, I'd go as far as saying something to the effect of
"do not photograph if it is not allowed, do not use you flash, do not attempt in any way to 'steal' photographs, as the quality will be poor and the short-term thrill and benefits are vastly exceeded by the long-term grudge and lack of confidence that the institution will hold towards us".
-- Rama
I disagree on two accounts.
First, it's an usage guide. It assumes you already have the PD work available for use, so the photograph point is moot.
Second, even if it were referring to the process of obtaining (not using), many places impose groundless restrictions (as if they owned copyright, and every use of the work had to be approved by them). Supporting this position implicitly says we agree that a PD work is not actually available.
The current form is indeed good. It's about how-to-use PD content, showing respect * Don't imply you use is endorsed. (It may or may not, but don't imply it) * Point out any modification (so it doesn't get confused with the original work) * Properly label the credits for any modification
All about general and desirable conditions on how to use, not how you get the PD content.
On 6 June 2011 08:35, Pedro Sanchez pdsanchez@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Rama Neko ramaneko@gmail.com wrote:
For the "Show respect" thing, I'd go as far as saying something to the effect of
"do not photograph if it is not allowed, do not use you flash, do not attempt in any way to 'steal' photographs, as the quality will be poor and the short-term thrill and benefits are vastly exceeded by the long-term grudge and lack of confidence that the institution will hold towards us".
-- Rama
I disagree on two accounts.
First, it's an usage guide. It assumes you already have the PD work available for use, so the photograph point is moot.
Second, even if it were referring to the process of obtaining (not using), many places impose groundless restrictions (as if they owned copyright, and every use of the work had to be approved by them). Supporting this position implicitly says we agree that a PD work is not actually available.
The current form is indeed good. It's about how-to-use PD content, showing respect
- Don't imply you use is endorsed. (It may or may not, but don't imply it)
- Point out any modification (so it doesn't get confused with the
original work)
- Properly label the credits for any modification
All about general and desirable conditions on how to use, not how you get the PD content.
-- Pedro Sánchez http://drini.mx @combinatorica
I agree with what Pedro has said here. This proposed guideline on Commons is about how we should treat the digital objects that have been donated to Commons - not about how to obtain more. Rama - what you have said is true and I agree with the principles you've listed, but perhaps http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Guide_to_content_partnerships is a better place to put that kind of advice.
Sincerely, -Liam