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Topics:1. Fwd: [Foundation-l] Missed opportunity: NASA AND INTERNETARCHIVE LAUNCH
CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR IMAGES (David Gerard)2. Suggestion for improvement (Timwi)3. Re:
Suggestion for improvement (Daniel Schwen)4. Re: Suggestion for improvement (Platonides)5.
Re: Suggestion for improvement (Andrew Gray)6. Re: Suggestion for improvement (Bryan Tong
Minh)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date:
Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:19:19 +0100From: "David Gerard"
<dgerard(a)gmail.com>Subjectamp;gt;Subject: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Missed
opportunity: NASA ANDINTERNET ARCHIVE LAUNCH CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR IMAGESTo:
"Wikimedia Commons Discussion
List"<commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org>Message-ID:<fbad4e140807251219w613b6d57m1dfeb3edc442b8e6@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=UTF-8Mind you, are there any places we could use a NASA pic we
don't already?- d.---------- Forwarded message ----------From: Waerth
&lt;waerth(a)asianet.co.th&gt;Dateth>Date: 2008/7/25Subject: [Foundation-l] Missed
opportunity: NASA AND INTERNET ARCHIVELAUNCH CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR IMAGESTo: Wikimedia
Foundation Mailing List &lt;foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt;I just received
this press release from NASA. Since NASA images aremostly PD to my knowledhe we missed an
opportunity here:July 24, 2008David E. SteitzHeadquarters,
Washington202-358-1730david.steitz(a)nasa.govPaul HickmanInternet Archive415-462-1509,
415-561-6767paul(a)archive.orgRELEASE: 08-173NASA AND INTERNET ARCHIVE LAUNCH CENTRALIZED
RESOURCE FOR IMAGESWASHINGTON -- NASA and Internet Archive, a non-profit digital
librarybased in San Francisco, made available the most comprehensivecompilation ever of
NASA's vast collection of photographs, historicfilm and video Thursday. Located at
www.nasaimages.org, the Internetsite combines for the first time 21 major NASA imagery
collectionsinto a single, searchable online resource. A link to the Web sitewill appear on
the
http://www.nasa.gov home page.The Web site launch is the first step in a five-year
partnership thatwill add millions of images and thousands of hours of video and
audiocontent, with enhanced search and viewing capabilities, and new userfeatures on a
continuing basis. Over time, integration
ofwww.nasaimages.org with
http://www.nasa.gov
will become more seamlessand comprehensive ."This partnership with Internet Archive
enables NASA to provide theAmerican public with access to its vast collection of imagery
fromone searchable source, unlocking a new treasure trove of discoveriesfor students,
historians, enthusiasts and researchers," said NASADeputy Administrator Shana Dale.
"This new resource also will enablethe agency to digitize and preserve historical
content now notavailable on the Internet for future generations."Through a
competitive process, NASA selected Internet Archive tomanage the NASA Images Web site
under a non-exclusive Space Actagreement, signed in July 2007. The five-year project is at
no costto the taxpayer and the images are free to the public."NASA's media is an
incredibly important and valuable national asset.It is a tremendous honor for the Internet
Archive to be NASA'spartner in this project," says Brewster Kahle, founder of
InternetArchive. "We are excited to mark this first step in a long-termcollaboration
to create a rich and growing public resource."The content of the Web site covers all
the diverse activities ofAmerica's space program, including imagery from the Apollo
moonmissions, Hubble Space Telescope views of the universe andexperimental aircraft past
and present. Keyword searching isavailable with easy-to-use resources for teachers and
students.Internet Archive is developing the NASA Images project using softwaredonated by
Luna Imaging Inc. of Los Angeles and with the generoussupport of the Kahle-Austin
Foundation of San Francisco.For more information about NASA and agency programs,
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2Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:49:16 +0100From: Timwi &lt;timwi(a)gmx.net&gt;Subjectamp;gt;Subject:
[Commons-l] Suggestion for improvementTo: commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.orgMessage-ID:
1(a)ger.gmane.org&gt;Content-Typent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedA friend
of mine ran into a series of really annoying/frustrating problems today which ended up
greatly discouraging him from contributing.This is meant to be constructive criticism,
please make of it what you will.He downloaded an image file from Wikipedia without
realising that it was actually hosted on Commons. This is perfectly reasonable because
Wikipedia explicitly tries to cover up the distinction for normal users.He then tried to
upload his improved version of the image.Problem #1: He couldn't because it was hosted
on Commons. The error message suggested to use a different filename.Short-term solution:
The message should have mentioned that he canreplace the image on Commons.Long-term
solution: Replacing the image should be transparent. Heshould not have to care where it is
hosted, it should just be replacedwherever it is.Problem #2: He didn't have an account
on Commons.Solution: Fix the single sign-on for good. No more single-siteaccounts.Problem
#3 (and this is the main reason I'm posting this): Commons didn't let him replace
the image because his account was "too new".This is completely unacceptable. I
am not convinced that this detracts absolutely any vandals or other malicious users, and
it only serves to prevent honest/legitimate contributions. This restriction results in a
net loss, not gain, of useful contribution to Commons.Thanks for
listening!Timwi------------------------------Message: 3Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:08:05
-0500From: Daniel Schwen &lt;lists(a)schwen.de&gt;Subjectamp;gt;Subject: Re: [Commons-l]
Suggestion for improvementTo: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
&lt;commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt;Message-ID;gt;Message-ID:
&lt;200807251808.05917.lists(a)schwen.de&gt;Content-Typet;Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"> He then tried to upload his improved version of the
image.[..]> Long-term solution: Replacing the image should be transparent.
He> should not have to care where it is hosted, it should just be replaced>
wherever it is.Apart from the valid points, I believe this is a fringe case. The case in
which you should upload over existing images are few. The alternative of uploading with a
new filename doesn't seem so counterintuitive to me that it should deterr a lot of
contributors. But I could be wrong here.------------------------------Message: 4Date: Sat,
26 Jul 2008 01:43:10 +0200From: Platonides &lt;Platonides(a)gmail.com&gt;Subjectamp;gt;Subject:
Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion for improvementTo: commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.orgMessage-ID:
1(a)ger.gmane.org&gt;Content-Typent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedTimwi
wrote:> A friend of mine ran into a series of really annoying/frustrating >
problems today which ended up greatly discouraging him from contributing.> >
This is meant to be constructive criticism, please make of it what you will.>
> He downloaded an image file from Wikipedia without realising that it was >
actually hosted on Commons. This is perfectly reasonable because > Wikipedia
explicitly tries to cover up the distinction for normal users.> > He then
tried to upload his improved version of the image.> > Problem #1: He
couldn't because it was hosted on Commons. The error > message suggested to use
a different filename.> > Short-term solution: The message should have
mentioned that he can> replace the image on Commons.> > Long-term
solution: Replacing the image should be transparent. He> should not have to care
where it is hosted, it should just be replaced> wherever it is.> >
Problem #2: He didn't have an account on Commons.> > Solution: Fix the
single sign-on for good. No more single-site> accounts.Now, that's a nice
structured message. A pity i see it after the more cryptic ones on wikitech :)However,
thetre's little to do at commons for your friend.#1 Short-term is a message to be
changed on the wikipedias or mediawiki localisation.#1 Long-term is a feature request for
the devs, but i see it unlikely, as the shared repository might not be a wiki, you may not
have credentials, etc.Not that images on commons showed on local projects don't show
the link "Upload a new version of this file".> Problem #3 (and this is
the main reason I'm posting this): Commons > didn't let him replace the
image because his account was "too new".> > This is completely
unacceptable. I am not convinced that this detracts > absolutely any vandals or
other malicious users, and it only serves to > prevent honest/legitimate
contributions. This restriction results in a > net loss, not gain, of useful
contribution to Commons.> > Thanks for listening!> TimwiNew users
often want to *upload new files*, not modify current images. They are also often the most
clueless, so not letting them change existing images until autoconfirmed is a good
idea.Specially because that avoids vandals creating new accounts on commons and replacing
with penis images the ones on article X.Moreover, the configuration on all WMF sites -not
just commons- is to only allow reuploading images to autoconfirmed users (unless you were
the original uploader) .------------------------------Message: 5Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008
00:48:35 +0100From: "Andrew Gray" &lt;shimgray(a)gmail.com&gt;Subjectamp;gt;Subject: Re:
[Commons-l] Suggestion for improvementTo: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion
List"<commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org>Message-ID:<f3fedb0d0807251648n32933b83h905f82806b339963@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-12008/7/26 Platonides
<Platonides@gmail.com>:> New users often want to *upload new files*,
not modify current images.> They are also often the most clueless, so not letting
them change> existing images until autoconfirmed is a good idea.> Specially
because that avoids vandals creating new accounts on commons> and replacing with
penis images the ones on article X.It also helps discourage accidental overwriting, which
used to bereasonably common - someone would upload something with a fairlygeneric
filename, not realise they were overwriting an existing image,and we'd realise a few
days later that the Belgian prime minister'sarticle on several projects was displaying
a large photograph of atrain.-- - Andrew
Grayandrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk------------------------------Message: 6Date: Sat, 26 Jul
2008 09:19:30 +0200From: "Bryan Tong Minh"
&lt;bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com&gt;Subjectamp;gt;Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion for
improvementTo: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion
List"<commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org>Message-ID:<fd5886130807260019p43568244s536368bf88eef6e2@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Platonides
&lt;Platonides(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:> Timwi wrote:[...]>>
Problem #3 (and this is the main reason I'm posting this): Commons>>
didn't let him replace the image because his account was "too
new".>>>> This is completely unacceptable. I am not
convinced that this detracts>> absolutely any vandals or other malicious
users, and it only serves to>> prevent honest/legitimate contributions. This
restriction results in a>> net loss, not gain, of useful contribution to
Commons.>>>> Thanks for listening!>>
Timwi>> New users often want to *upload new files*, not modify current
images.> They are also often the most clueless, so not letting them change>
existing images until autoconfirmed is a good idea.> Specially because that avoids
vandals creating new accounts on commons> and replacing with penis images the ones
on article X.>> Moreover, the configuration on all WMF sites -not just
commons- is to> only allow reuploading images to autoconfirmed users (unless you
were> the original uploader).>>>>
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