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1. Fwd: [Foundation-l] Missed opportunity: NASA AND INTERNET
ARCHIVE LAUNCH CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR IMAGES (David Gerard)
2. Suggestion for improvement (Timwi)
3. Re: Suggestion for improvement (Daniel Schwen)
4. Re: Suggestion for improvement (Platonides)
5. Re: Suggestion for improvement (Andrew Gray)
6. Re: Suggestion for improvement (Bryan Tong Minh)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:19:19 +0100
From: "David Gerard" <dgerard@gmail.com>
Subject: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Missed opportunity: NASA AND
INTERNET ARCHIVE LAUNCH CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR IMAGES
To: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List"
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Mind you, are there any places we could use a NASA pic we don't already?
- d.
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From: Waerth <waerth@asianet.co.th>
Date: 2008/7/25
Subject: [Foundation-l] Missed opportunity: NASA AND INTERNET ARCHIVE
LAUNCH CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR IMAGES
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
I just received this press release from NASA. Since NASA images are
mostly PD to my knowledhe we missed an opportunity here:
July 24, 2008
David E. Steitz
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1730
david.steitz@nasa.gov
Paul Hickman
Internet Archive
415-462-1509, 415-561-6767
paul@archive.org
RELEASE: 08-173
NASA AND INTERNET ARCHIVE LAUNCH CENTRALIZED RESOURCE FOR IMAGES
WASHINGTON -- NASA and Internet Archive, a non-profit digital library
based in San Francisco, made available the most comprehensive
compilation ever of NASA's vast collection of photographs, historic
film and video Thursday. Located at www.nasaimages.org, the Internet
site combines for the first time 21 major NASA imagery collections
into a single, searchable online resource. A link to the Web site
will appear on the http://www.nasa.gov home page.
The Web site launch is the first step in a five-year partnership that
will add millions of images and thousands of hours of video and audio
content, with enhanced search and viewing capabilities, and new user
features on a continuing basis. Over time, integration of
www.nasaimages.org with http://www.nasa.gov will become more seamless
and comprehensive.
"This partnership with Internet Archive enables NASA to provide the
American public with access to its vast collection of imagery from
one searchable source, unlocking a new treasure trove of discoveries
for students, historians, enthusiasts and researchers," said NASA
Deputy Administrator Shana Dale. "This new resource also will enable
the agency to digitize and preserve historical content now not
available on the Internet for future generations."
Through a competitive process, NASA selected Internet Archive to
manage the NASA Images Web site under a non-exclusive Space Act
agreement, signed in July 2007. The five-year project is at no cost
to the taxpayer and the images are free to the public.
"NASA's media is an incredibly important and valuable national asset.
It is a tremendous honor for the Internet Archive to be NASA's
partner in this project," says Brewster Kahle, founder of Internet
Archive. "We are excited to mark this first step in a long-term
collaboration to create a rich and growing public resource."
The content of the Web site covers all the diverse activities of
America's space program, including imagery from the Apollo moon
missions, Hubble Space Telescope views of the universe and
experimental aircraft past and present. Keyword searching is
available with easy-to-use resources for teachers and students.
Internet Archive is developing the NASA Images project using software
donated by Luna Imaging Inc. of Los Angeles and with the generous
support of the Kahle-Austin Foundation of San Francisco.
For more information about NASA and agency programs, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov
Waerth
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:49:16 +0100
From: Timwi <timwi@gmx.net>
Subject: [Commons-l] Suggestion for improvement
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A friend of mine ran into a series of really annoying/frustrating
problems today which ended up greatly discouraging him from contributing.
This is meant to be constructive criticism, please make of it what you will.
He downloaded an image file from Wikipedia without realising that it was
actually hosted on Commons. This is perfectly reasonable because
Wikipedia explicitly tries to cover up the distinction for normal users.
He then tried to upload his improved version of the image.
Problem #1: He couldn't because it was hosted on Commons. The error
message suggested to use a different filename.
Short-term solution: The message should have mentioned that he can
replace the image on Commons.
Long-term solution: Replacing the image should be transparent. He
should not have to care where it is hosted, it should just be replaced
wherever it is.
Problem #2: He didn't have an account on Commons.
Solution: Fix the single sign-on for good. No more single-site
accounts.
Problem #3 (and this is the main reason I'm posting this): Commons
didn't let him replace the image because his account was "too new".
This is completely unacceptable. I am not convinced that this detracts
absolutely any vandals or other malicious users, and it only serves to
prevent honest/legitimate contributions. This restriction results in a
net loss, not gain, of useful contribution to Commons.
Thanks for listening!
Timwi
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:08:05 -0500
From: Daniel Schwen <lists@schwen.de>
Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion for improvement
To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List <commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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> He then tried to upload his improved version of the image.
[..]
> Long-term solution: Replacing the image should be transparent. He
> should not have to care where it is hosted, it should just be replaced
> wherever it is.
Apart from the valid points, I believe this is a fringe case. The case in
which you should upload over existing images are few. The alternative of
uploading with a new filename doesn't seem so counterintuitive to me that it
should deterr a lot of contributors. But I could be wrong here.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:43:10 +0200
From: Platonides <Platonides@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion for improvement
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Timwi wrote:
> A friend of mine ran into a series of really annoying/frustrating
> problems today which ended up greatly discouraging him from contributing.
>
> This is meant to be constructive criticism, please make of it what you will.
>
> He downloaded an image file from Wikipedia without realising that it was
> actually hosted on Commons. This is perfectly reasonable because
> Wikipedia explicitly tries to cover up the distinction for normal users.
>
> He then tried to upload his improved version of the image.
>
> Problem #1: He couldn't because it was hosted on Commons. The error
> message suggested to use a different filename.
>
> Short-term solution: The message should have mentioned that he can
> replace the image on Commons.
>
> Long-term solution: Replacing the image should be transparent. He
> should not have to care where it is hosted, it should just be replaced
> wherever it is.
>
> Problem #2: He didn't have an account on Commons.
>
> Solution: Fix the single sign-on for good. No more single-site
> accounts.
Now, that's a nice structured message. A pity i see it after the more
cryptic ones on wikitech :)
However, thetre's little to do at commons for your friend.
#1 Short-term is a message to be changed on the wikipedias or mediawiki
localisation.
#1 Long-term is a feature request for the devs, but i see it unlikely,
as the shared repository might not be a wiki, you may not have
credentials, etc.
Not that images on commons showed on local projects don't show the link
"Upload a new version of this file".
> Problem #3 (and this is the main reason I'm posting this): Commons
> didn't let him replace the image because his account was "too new".
>
> This is completely unacceptable. I am not convinced that this detracts
> absolutely any vandals or other malicious users, and it only serves to
> prevent honest/legitimate contributions. This restriction results in a
> net loss, not gain, of useful contribution to Commons.
>
> Thanks for listening!
> Timwi
New users often want to *upload new files*, not modify current images.
They are also often the most clueless, so not letting them change
existing images until autoconfirmed is a good idea.
Specially because that avoids vandals creating new accounts on commons
and replacing with penis images the ones on article X.
Moreover, the configuration on all WMF sites -not just commons- is to
only allow reuploading images to autoconfirmed users (unless you were
the original uploader).
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:48:35 +0100
From: "Andrew Gray" <shimgray@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion for improvement
To: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List"
<commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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2008/7/26 Platonides <Platonides@gmail.com>:
> New users often want to *upload new files*, not modify current images.
> They are also often the most clueless, so not letting them change
> existing images until autoconfirmed is a good idea.
> Specially because that avoids vandals creating new accounts on commons
> and replacing with penis images the ones on article X.
It also helps discourage accidental overwriting, which used to be
reasonably common - someone would upload something with a fairly
generic filename, not realise they were overwriting an existing image,
and we'd realise a few days later that the Belgian prime minister's
article on several projects was displaying a large photograph of a
train.
--
- Andrew Gray
andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:19:30 +0200
From: "Bryan Tong Minh" <bryan.tongminh@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion for improvement
To: "Wikimedia Commons Discussion List"
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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:43 AM, Platonides <Platonides@gmail.com> wrote:
> Timwi wrote:
[...]
>> Problem #3 (and this is the main reason I'm posting this): Commons
>> didn't let him replace the image because his account was "too new".
>>
>> This is completely unacceptable. I am not convinced that this detracts
>> absolutely any vandals or other malicious users, and it only serves to
>> prevent honest/legitimate contributions. This restriction results in a
>> net loss, not gain, of useful contribution to Commons.
>>
>> Thanks for listening!
>> Timwi
>
> New users often want to *upload new files*, not modify current images.
> They are also often the most clueless, so not letting them change
> existing images until autoconfirmed is a good idea.
> Specially because that avoids vandals creating new accounts on commons
> and replacing with penis images the ones on article X.
>
> Moreover, the configuration on all WMF sites -not just commons- is to
> only allow reuploading images to autoconfirmed users (unless you were
> the original uploader).
>
>
>
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