I don't know if we have a list moderator. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l doesn't seem to name anyone. Anyone else think it would be a good idea to agree on someone?
-Giggy
On 7/28/08, mike.lifeguard mike.lifeguard@gmail.com wrote:
*sob*
Can this be http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:DIN_4844-2_Warnung_vor_feuergefaehr lichen_Stoffen_D-W001.svg Killed with fire please?
Mike
From: Muhammad [mailto:noreply@mob.com] Sent: July 28, 2008 5:58 AM To: commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Commons-l] MOB.COM - Muhammad invites you to The Mob
<spam redacted>
2008/7/28 Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com
I don't know if we have a list moderator. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l doesn't seem to name anyone. Anyone else think it would be a good idea to agree on someone?
-Giggy
Well, we do... whoever owns wikipedia-listadmin at computerkultur.orgcommons-l-owner@lists.wikimedia.org
Still, perhaps someone more active should take over.
Hi,
2008/7/28 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
2008/7/28 Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com
I don't know if we have a list moderator. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l doesn't seem to name anyone. Anyone else think it would be a good idea to agree on someone?
Well, we do... whoever owns wikipedia-listadmin at computerkultur.org
Still, perhaps someone more active should take over.
Well, actually, it's me. Of course I'm happy to add another admin to get a bit more redundancy.
Bye, Tim.
Thanks for responding Tim, I don't know if anyone else was aware of who the ID behind that email address was.
I'm happy to have you modding, but if others want someone else added I certainly wouldn't say no to that.
-Giggy
On 7/28/08, Tim 'avatar' Bartel wikipedia@computerkultur.org wrote:
Hi,
2008/7/28 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
2008/7/28 Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com
I don't know if we have a list moderator. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l doesn't seem to name anyone. Anyone else think it would be a good idea to agree on someone?
Well, we do... whoever owns wikipedia-listadmin at computerkultur.org
Still, perhaps someone more active should take over.
Well, actually, it's me. Of course I'm happy to add another admin to get a bit more redundancy.
Bye, Tim.
Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
2008/7/28 Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com:
I don't know if we have a list moderator. https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l doesn't seem to name anyone. Anyone else think it would be a good idea to agree on someone?
The list is basically unmoderated, which is a good way for it to be - we don't want every message pre-screened, or even many of them. Even slight active moderation, as on wikien-l, is a major pain in the backside and a source of much angst and stupidity (I'm one of the wikien listmods), and you really don't want that if at all avoidable. So far I really don't think commons-l needs that.
- d.
2008/7/28 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
The list is basically unmoderated, which is a good way for it to be - we don't want every message pre-screened, or even many of them. Even slight active moderation, as on wikien-l, is a major pain in the backside and a source of much angst and stupidity (I'm one of the wikien listmods), and you really don't want that if at all avoidable. So far I really don't think commons-l needs that.
That said, multiple listmods are always a good idea.
- d.
Yes, this is what I was referring to; that we have someone else (as well as Tim) be a listmod in case anything pops up. I wasn't suggesting we do thinks the wikien-l way; we're nowhere near big enough (thankfully!) to be considering that.
Any ideas for a new listmod?
-Giggy
On 7/29/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/7/28 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
The list is basically unmoderated, which is a good way for it to be - we don't want every message pre-screened, or even many of them. Even slight active moderation, as on wikien-l, is a major pain in the backside and a source of much angst and stupidity (I'm one of the wikien listmods), and you really don't want that if at all avoidable. So far I really don't think commons-l needs that.
That said, multiple listmods are always a good idea.
- d.
Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, this is what I was referring to; that we have someone else (as well as Tim) be a listmod in case anything pops up. I wasn't suggesting we do thinks the wikien-l way; we're nowhere near big enough (thankfully!) to be considering that.
Any ideas for a new listmod?
-Giggy
Brianna Laugher (pfctdayelise) appears to be the far most active on this list.
Bryan
2008/7/29 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, this is what I was referring to; that we have someone else (as well as Tim) be a listmod in case anything pops up. I wasn't suggesting we do thinks the wikien-l way; we're nowhere near big enough (thankfully!) to be considering that.
Any ideas for a new listmod?
-Giggy
Brianna Laugher (pfctdayelise) appears to be the far most active on this list.
I love this list. It's a wonderful hotpot of copyright, tech, and random ideas. It also seems to have toolserver devs on tap for my latest great theory. If anything I think people (besides me) should use it more.
Regarding this spam post. I think what happened is that guy gave his email account details to some dodgy service, and it posted invites to everyone in his contact list. That is not quite the same as being spammed. That guy is probably mortified now (if he realises what happened at least).
Anyway, in conclusion, one accidental spam does not a listmod emergency make. I suggest to worry about more important things. :)
cheers Brianna
On 7/30/08, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
2008/7/29 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, this is what I was referring to; that we have someone else (as well as Tim) be a listmod in case anything pops up. I wasn't suggesting we do thinks the wikien-l way; we're nowhere near big enough (thankfully!) to be considering that.
Any ideas for a new listmod?
-Giggy
Brianna Laugher (pfctdayelise) appears to be the far most active on this list.
I love this list. It's a wonderful hotpot of copyright, tech, and random ideas. It also seems to have toolserver devs on tap for my latest great theory. If anything I think people (besides me) should use it more.
Regarding this spam post. I think what happened is that guy gave his email account details to some dodgy service, and it posted invites to everyone in his contact list. That is not quite the same as being spammed. That guy is probably mortified now (if he realises what happened at least).
Anyway, in conclusion, one accidental spam does not a listmod emergency make. I suggest to worry about more important things. :)
cheers Brianna
-- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/
Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Oops, sorry about that. "Send" is awfully close to "archive".
On 7/30/08, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
On 7/30/08, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
2008/7/29 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:43 AM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, this is what I was referring to; that we have someone else (as well as Tim) be a listmod in case anything pops up. I wasn't suggesting we do thinks the wikien-l way; we're nowhere near big enough (thankfully!) to be considering that.
Any ideas for a new listmod?
-Giggy
Brianna Laugher (pfctdayelise) appears to be the far most active on this list.
I love this list. It's a wonderful hotpot of copyright, tech, and random ideas. It also seems to have toolserver devs on tap for my latest great theory. If anything I think people (besides me) should use it more.
Regarding this spam post. I think what happened is that guy gave his email account details to some dodgy service, and it posted invites to everyone in his contact list. That is not quite the same as being spammed. That guy is probably mortified now (if he realises what happened at least).
Anyway, in conclusion, one accidental spam does not a listmod emergency make. I suggest to worry about more important things. :)
cheers Brianna
-- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/
Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
Anyway, in conclusion, one accidental spam does not a listmod emergency make. I suggest to worry about more important things. :)
Agree. 7 messages spent on a serious "Suggestion for Improvement" 14 (sorry now 15 ;-) ) messages spent yacking on about an accidental invite. (just press delete next time (neither archive nor send ;-P))
Doing his part to lower the signal to noise ratio even further is:
I was referring more to making the spam filter smarter. But I'm surprised we have only one listmod - I agree redundancy is a good idea.
Mike
-----Original Message----- From: Alex G [mailto:g1ggyman@gmail.com] Sent: July 29, 2008 5:44 AM To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Subject: Re: [Commons-l] List moderator [was some spammish message]
Yes, this is what I was referring to; that we have someone else (as well as Tim) be a listmod in case anything pops up. I wasn't suggesting we do thinks the wikien-l way; we're nowhere near big enough (thankfully!) to be considering that.
Any ideas for a new listmod?
-Giggy
On 7/29/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2008/7/28 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
The list is basically unmoderated, which is a good way for it to be - we don't want every message pre-screened, or even many of them. Even slight active moderation, as on wikien-l, is a major pain in the backside and a source of much angst and stupidity (I'm one of the wikien listmods), and you really don't want that if at all avoidable. So far I really don't think commons-l needs that.
That said, multiple listmods are always a good idea.
- d.
Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l
mike.lifeguard wrote:
I was referring more to making the spam filter smarter. But I'm surprised we have only one listmod - I agree redundancy is a good idea.
Mike
Yeah. As a moderator on a couple of wikimedia lists, i find the filter (is there one?) could be smarter. Also, some kind of would be desirable, as all of us have to fight against the same message. Eg. i got three hours ago a message with recipient accounts-enwiki-l-owner. It will have been sent to the owners of almost all WMF mailing lists.
And not only that, but you need to delete the same message every time. I wish i could tell it: automatically discard any mail with a month name as subject, as well as those which contain |>entists, certification...
If the message comes from a subscriptor, put it pending for moderation instead of discarding, for such spammy terms can be legitimately used (this mail will score high on spam filters).
And if you're really worried about possible false positives, send it to the moderator as "This was automatically discarded following rule #1109" so he can detect the system holes.
Not to mention the ability of using lily's Spam-Reports to filter the incoming... It is so tempting to just click that option called "discard everything from non-subscripted"... It would cut about half of the mod spam, but is also where i've seen a few legitimate mails.
2008/7/29 Platonides Platonides@gmail.com:
And not only that, but you need to delete the same message every time. I wish i could tell it: automatically discard any mail with a month name as subject, as well as those which contain |>entists, certification...
Just requiring people to be subscribed to post cuts the queue down to almost insignificant.
- d.