I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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Good we're on the same track!!
From what I remember Lydia presenting at some point was that the transition
to Wikibase on Commons would happen gradually, with more and more of the properties being displayed from Wikidata. For paintings in the Sum of All Paintings project this could already start happening, since their data is in Wikidata. Just like making infoboxes in Wikipedias from Wikidata data.
Last time I checked there were no Wikidata related Lua scripts in Wikimedia Commons (correct me if I am wrong) nor was arbitrary access available.
How I would like to start is to add:
{{Artwork | wikidata = Q.... | artist = P... | date = P... | etc }}
Since all of them are already related to the Wikidata item, we could make a preformatted ArtworkWD template where you only need to add the Qid and values that cannot be stored in Wikidata or those that need to override Wikidata values. Now we have measures, so all painting sizes can be read from Wikidata. These are the only ones that come to my mind. - description - geographic area - partnership declaration - categories
As you mention, looking at the file in Commons you would want to - add it to Wikidata - edit the data in Wikidata
I would love to work or let someone work on this!
Susanna
2015-11-20 13:56 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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What I have been using is this (example of a Commons artwork template that I used in a recent upload - note the Wikidata item was not created yet, so this is blank): =={{int:filedesc}}== {{Artwork | wikidata = |title={{en|Manoah's Sacrifice}} |description={{RKD|232787}} |date=c. 1641 |medium = oil on panel |dimensions = |ID=1563 |institution = Gemäldegalerie Alte Meister Dresden |inscriptions= |source= http://www.rembrandtdatabase.org/Rembrandt/painting/30461/self-portrait-with... |notes= |author= {{Creator:Rembrandt}} |permission= |other_versions= |other_fields= }} =={{int:license-header}}== {{PD-Art-100}} [[Category:Paintings by Rembrandt]] [[Category:1641 paintings]]
In order to be more efficient at actually getting to the uploader, I have my own uploader link that takes me directly to the old upload page, as the default uploader will not allow you to paste an artwork template
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
Good we're on the same track!!
From what I remember Lydia presenting at some point was that the transition to Wikibase on Commons would happen gradually, with more and more of the properties being displayed from Wikidata. For paintings in the Sum of All Paintings project this could already start happening, since their data is in Wikidata. Just like making infoboxes in Wikipedias from Wikidata data.
Last time I checked there were no Wikidata related Lua scripts in Wikimedia Commons (correct me if I am wrong) nor was arbitrary access available.
How I would like to start is to add:
{{Artwork | wikidata = Q.... | artist = P... | date = P... | etc }}
Since all of them are already related to the Wikidata item, we could make a preformatted ArtworkWD template where you only need to add the Qid and values that cannot be stored in Wikidata or those that need to override Wikidata values. Now we have measures, so all painting sizes can be read from Wikidata. These are the only ones that come to my mind.
- description
- geographic area
- partnership declaration
- categories
As you mention, looking at the file in Commons you would want to
- add it to Wikidata
- edit the data in Wikidata
I would love to work or let someone work on this!
Susanna
2015-11-20 13:56 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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Jane: How are you doing the upload, how is your tool? Can you make batches? We have a project for preparing metadata before a batch upload and we assume GWToolset for the upload. But then we cannot make changes to the actual upload.
In the upload phase with both image and metadata it would be great to - Write data to Wikidata, retrieve the new Qid - Upload to Commons with the new Qid and - automatically construct the artwork template
We are also in the process of enabling batch imports to the Wikimaps Warper. So I would add, that if it's a map, we would like to - retrieve the pageid of the new Commons filepage and - use the pageid in the batch import to Wikimaps Warper
hmmm
Cheers Susanna
2015-11-20 13:56 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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My tool is just a super primitive copy/paste from excel. In the example I sent you can see how easily artifacts get added to output that I need to clean up later. Commons upload is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rembrant_-_Man_in_a_Helmet.jpg and the Wikidata item is here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21515196 Because it is so slow, it doesn't really matter whether I start with the commons upload or Wikidata upload - it would be nice to do both simultaneously
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
Jane: How are you doing the upload, how is your tool? Can you make batches? We have a project for preparing metadata before a batch upload and we assume GWToolset for the upload. But then we cannot make changes to the actual upload.
In the upload phase with both image and metadata it would be great to
- Write data to Wikidata, retrieve the new Qid
- Upload to Commons with the new Qid and
- automatically construct the artwork template
We are also in the process of enabling batch imports to the Wikimaps Warper. So I would add, that if it's a map, we would like to
- retrieve the pageid of the new Commons filepage and
- use the pageid in the batch import to Wikimaps Warper
hmmm
Cheers Susanna
2015-11-20 13:56 GMT+02:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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As far as I know there is no working lua modules that deal with interactions with Wikidata (like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata) as we are all waiting on random access or access to properties on wikidata for known wikidata IDs. Such Module would be a first step, it should be shared among multiple templates (Artwork, Creator, Institution, Authority Control, etc.), and it is hard to start without it.
I think we should have a page where such tools and efforts are listed so we do not duplicate efforts. I personally like using {{Creator/wrapper|item=Q…..|wikitext=1}} on wikidata (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jarekt/a) to generate Creator page wikicode. It is not perfect but it is a great start. Jane, you mentioned "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item” Magnus tool. Can you link to it. I could not find one.
Jarek T. (user:Jarekt)
From: Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Darnell Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 6:56 AM To: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List Subject: Re: [Commons-l] Wikidata data in templates
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs <susanna.anas@gmail.commailto:susanna.anas@gmail.com> wrote: I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers, Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/creator_from_wikidata.php
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Tuszynski, Jarek W. < JAROSLAW.W.TUSZYNSKI@leidos.com> wrote:
As far as I know there is no working lua modules that deal with interactions with Wikidata (like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata) as we are all waiting on random access or access to properties on wikidata for known wikidata IDs. Such Module would be a first step, it should be shared among multiple templates (Artwork, Creator, Institution, Authority Control, etc.), and it is hard to start without it.
I think we should have a page where such tools and efforts are listed so we do not duplicate efforts. I personally like using {{Creator/wrapper|item=Q…..|wikitext=1}} on wikidata (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jarekt/a) to generate Creator page wikicode. It is not perfect but it is a great start. Jane, you mentioned "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item” Magnus tool. Can you link to it. I could not find one.
Jarek T.
(user:Jarekt)
*From:* Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jane Darnell *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 6:56 AM *To:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List *Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] Wikidata data in templates
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers,
Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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Quite amazing, Jarek. I cannot yet figure out how you did it!
As a non-developer, I was able to create (copy and modify) the module to the Finnish Wikipedia and it has been working properly. Should we just do it in Commons, after consensus?
Susanna
2015-11-20 15:50 GMT+02:00 Tuszynski, Jarek W. < JAROSLAW.W.TUSZYNSKI@leidos.com>:
As far as I know there is no working lua modules that deal with interactions with Wikidata (like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Module:Wikidata) as we are all waiting on random access or access to properties on wikidata for known wikidata IDs. Such Module would be a first step, it should be shared among multiple templates (Artwork, Creator, Institution, Authority Control, etc.), and it is hard to start without it.
I think we should have a page where such tools and efforts are listed so we do not duplicate efforts. I personally like using {{Creator/wrapper|item=Q…..|wikitext=1}} on wikidata (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Jarekt/a) to generate Creator page wikicode. It is not perfect but it is a great start. Jane, you mentioned "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item” Magnus tool. Can you link to it. I could not find one.
Jarek T.
(user:Jarekt)
*From:* Commons-l [mailto:commons-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jane Darnell *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2015 6:56 AM *To:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List *Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] Wikidata data in templates
Susanna, Did you read my mind? I have exactly the same questions!! For my own work on artworks where I am searching individual files for upload to both Commons and Wikidata, I have created my own tool to prepare an artwork template for commons at the same time as creating a new item on Wikidata (using quick statements).
The only tools I am aware of are the ones Magnus has so kindly made available to use. Personally I use the "create Commons creator template from a Wikidata biographical item" and modify the output slightly to create a category as well, when I find artworks on Commons that are as yet uncategorized. Unfortunately there is no "Create a Wikidata item from this file with artwork template on Commons", but I would love to have that too. Maybe worth creating a wish for the wishlist survey on Meta for this?
Best, Jae
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I am trying to catch up with the discussion about using Wikidata data in Wikimedia Commons. Here are some questions that have come up with the work with our GLAM partners as well as thinking about the Map template.
What is the current status of the Artwork & other metadata templates as well as Creator and Institution templates as opposed to data on Wikidata? Should I just encourage to place the same artist & artwork metadata in all of them + Wikipedia infoboxes, or could I focus on Wikidata and create snippets that read that data from Wikidata? What's the policy, are there Lua scripts and templates for that on Commons? What will happen if I try to create some?
Cheers,
Susanna, Wikimedia Finland, an eternal novice
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This is definitely needed and there is some interest; the last discussion seems to be https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2015/10#Adding_Wikidata_ID_to_Template:Creator_possible, while others are outdated: * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata/How_GLAMs_can_help_the_S... * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data#Templates_to...
Around January, Wikimedia Italia will need to upload images of some 900 items like this: http://www.museidelcibo.it/page.asp?ID=504246 I doubt our properties are standard enough to be available or useful to others; mainly I'd want to transclude the free text description of the item from Wikidata. (So that later even Wikipedia articles could use it if needed.)
Nemo
Nemo: It could be great to develop together with you, because if we all try solve the same problem everywhere at the same time we will have tons of different solutions.
A quick look into the metadata in your link shows that it fits the Artwork template! And also artwork properties in Wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Visual_arts/Item_structur...
You say free text description from Wikidata. AFAIK that will not be stored. Unless you mean a sophisticated way of constructing natural language from the facts?
But what we aim to provide in the tool are ways to extract facts from natural language. Not any sophisticated tools yet but that would be possible as well, using some learning technology.
Please have a look, and tell what you think about our plan https://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM-massalatausprojekti
Susanna
2015-11-20 15:31 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com:
This is definitely needed and there is some interest; the last discussion seems to be < https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2015/10#Addi..., while others are outdated:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata/How_GLAMs_can_help_the_S...
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data#Templates_to...
Around January, Wikimedia Italia will need to upload images of some 900 items like this: http://www.museidelcibo.it/page.asp?ID=504246 I doubt our properties are standard enough to be available or useful to others; mainly I'd want to transclude the free text description of the item from Wikidata. (So that later even Wikipedia articles could use it if needed.)
Nemo
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Hey folks :)
Just one really important distinction that you all need to keep in mind and that isn't entirely obvious always: We have different kinds of structured data related to Commons. 1) data about an actual painting of say Mona Lisa for example. This is and will be on Wikidata. It can be used on Commons the same way Wikipedia uses data from Wikidata. One example would be where the painting is located and who painted it. 2) data about a particular files like the scan of the above painting. This is and will be stored on Commons itself. One example would be who took the photo, what it depicts or under which license the file is released.
For 1) we still need to finish some last pieces to make sure everyone gets data shown in their language. I hope we can solve that early next year depending on how hairy the problem still turns out to be. We've made progress on it already. For 2) we need to allow Commons itself to store structured data. We are doing groundwork for this and hope to make significant progress and a prototype for people to play with and give feedback early next year.
Hope that clarifies things a bit.
Cheers Lydia
Lydia: This must be because Commons is multilingual rather than monolingual? For this reason it would be premature to enable to Wikidata Lua module before next year?
But knowing this would help us take it into account while developing :)
Thanks for sharing the info!
Cheers Susanna
2015-11-20 16:05 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de:
Hey folks :)
Just one really important distinction that you all need to keep in mind and that isn't entirely obvious always: We have different kinds of structured data related to Commons.
- data about an actual painting of say Mona Lisa for example. This is
and will be on Wikidata. It can be used on Commons the same way Wikipedia uses data from Wikidata. One example would be where the painting is located and who painted it. 2) data about a particular files like the scan of the above painting. This is and will be stored on Commons itself. One example would be who took the photo, what it depicts or under which license the file is released.
For 1) we still need to finish some last pieces to make sure everyone gets data shown in their language. I hope we can solve that early next year depending on how hairy the problem still turns out to be. We've made progress on it already. For 2) we need to allow Commons itself to store structured data. We are doing groundwork for this and hope to make significant progress and a prototype for people to play with and give feedback early next year.
Hope that clarifies things a bit.
Cheers Lydia
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On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
Lydia: This must be because Commons is multilingual rather than monolingual?
Exactly.
For this reason it would be premature to enable to Wikidata Lua module before next year?
But knowing this would help us take it into account while developing :)
It really depends on what you want to do and on which pages. Depending on if you need arbitrary access for it or not you can start now already.
Thanks for sharing the info!
No problem.
Cheers Lydia
Thank you Lydia. I think most of the data directly relates to the WD item, so we should be good to go!
Susanna
2015-11-20 16:58 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
Lydia: This must be because Commons is multilingual rather than
monolingual?
Exactly.
For this reason it would be premature to enable to Wikidata Lua module before next year?
But knowing this would help us take it into account while developing :)
It really depends on what you want to do and on which pages. Depending on if you need arbitrary access for it or not you can start now already.
Thanks for sharing the info!
No problem.
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
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I proposed the creation of the module here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Create_Lua... .
Susanna
2015-11-20 17:12 GMT+02:00 Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com:
Thank you Lydia. I think most of the data directly relates to the WD item, so we should be good to go!
Susanna
2015-11-20 16:58 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
Lydia: This must be because Commons is multilingual rather than
monolingual?
Exactly.
For this reason it would be premature to enable to Wikidata Lua module before next year?
But knowing this would help us take it into account while developing :)
It really depends on what you want to do and on which pages. Depending on if you need arbitrary access for it or not you can start now already.
Thanks for sharing the info!
No problem.
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Yes - I think you should endorse this too: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2015_Community_Wishlist_Survey#Central_Globa...
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
I proposed the creation of the module here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Create_Lua... .
Susanna
2015-11-20 17:12 GMT+02:00 Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com:
Thank you Lydia. I think most of the data directly relates to the WD item, so we should be good to go!
Susanna
2015-11-20 16:58 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de :
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.anas@gmail.com wrote:
Lydia: This must be because Commons is multilingual rather than
monolingual?
Exactly.
For this reason it would be premature to enable to Wikidata Lua module before next year?
But knowing this would help us take it into account while developing :)
It really depends on what you want to do and on which pages. Depending on if you need arbitrary access for it or not you can start now already.
Thanks for sharing the info!
No problem.
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Lydia, there is more to (2) than just talking about the data stored in those files on Commons. Scans like the one you mention should link back to the Wikidata item. So there is a need to be able to add such Wikidata links from every file that refers to the image. So for example in this case below of a painting on Wikipedia, I use several images to illustrate the article, but this is a painting that has been restored and the before and after images are on Commons, but not in a dedicated category together : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mark,_by_Frans_Hals I want to link both of these files to the Wikidata item, which is possible if I edit the artwork templates of both files by hand, but it would be nice to be able to update these with a mouseclick.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hey folks :)
Just one really important distinction that you all need to keep in mind and that isn't entirely obvious always: We have different kinds of structured data related to Commons.
- data about an actual painting of say Mona Lisa for example. This is
and will be on Wikidata. It can be used on Commons the same way Wikipedia uses data from Wikidata. One example would be where the painting is located and who painted it. 2) data about a particular files like the scan of the above painting. This is and will be stored on Commons itself. One example would be who took the photo, what it depicts or under which license the file is released.
For 1) we still need to finish some last pieces to make sure everyone gets data shown in their language. I hope we can solve that early next year depending on how hairy the problem still turns out to be. We've made progress on it already. For 2) we need to allow Commons itself to store structured data. We are doing groundwork for this and hope to make significant progress and a prototype for people to play with and give feedback early next year.
Hope that clarifies things a bit.
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
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On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Lydia, there is more to (2) than just talking about the data stored in those files on Commons. Scans like the one you mention should link back to the Wikidata item. So there is a need to be able to add such Wikidata links from every file that refers to the image. So for example in this case below of a painting on Wikipedia, I use several images to illustrate the article, but this is a painting that has been restored and the before and after images are on Commons, but not in a dedicated category together : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Mark,_by_Frans_Hals I want to link both of these files to the Wikidata item, which is possible if I edit the artwork templates of both files by hand, but it would be nice to be able to update these with a mouseclick.
Yes, exactly. For example one scan of the Mona Lisa would have a statement on it saying it is a scan of the particular painting. And that would be a link to the Wikidata item for the painting.
Cheers Lydia