On 10/1/06, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
So at last it is here? Congratulations!
However... *It doesn't work for me (start & stop buttons do nothing). *I can't find how the applet gets the file to play. I guess the above problem has to do with the applet may need to get passed the file location on jorbis.player.play.0 instead of http://tools.wikimedia.de/media/wikipedia//d/d4/
That is the file location: Unsigned java applets can only build connections to the server which sourced them, so toolserver runs a proxy which makes all the media available under that directory.
What is the file you are attempting to play? I've had a few cases where bizarre characters were breaking the MD5 generation.. although I believe most of them have been solved.
The single most common cause of failure to play is that around 20% of the users whom have Java have a version of java which is so old that it doesn't have JavaSound (which is needed to produce anything other than 8bit, 8khz audio). Microsoft clients appear to be the most frequent victims of this. Note that the issue is no better in the flash world: folks with flash 7 and older can't watch any of the video sites.
*The link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_help. is not very useful, it redirects to [[Wikipedia:Media_help]] where there's no reference to it. Neither from [[Wikipedia:Media]] *The page (/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php as per Minh Nguyen msg) shows too Beta. Not like a finished and usable tool (well, it seems it isn't).
Hm. I missed that the media page is a redirect, but it makes no difference... Please read rather than skim: "f you are unable to use this player you will need to install a program to play Ogg format audio. Please see the Wikipedia directions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_help"
I.e. if this doesn't work for you, you'll have to install a local player. I don't think it would be wise of us to instruct people on how to install a newer version of Java for three reasons:
1) If the user has enough permissions and patience to upgrade java then they can install a native player. 2) The user expirence with a local native player will always be better. 3) Right now the Java implimentations which are easily installable for Windows/Mac are non-free software.
In any case, the player has been used successfully by tens of thousands of people. I'm aware of no standing cases where it does not work so long as you meet the basic requirement of a new enough java implimentation.
By calling it beta I was hoping to solicit additional feedback (and perhaps discourage the propagation of its use: it will be replaced by a system with tighter mediawiki integration once that work is done)... ... But I've had very little feedback overal, so perhaps calling it beta was a mistake.
Thanks fo the reference. Java is quite the same as the Flash solutions.
Quite the same for the user ease, yes... but not at all the same in terms of keeping our content in formats which respect the free nature of the content.