Hi everyone,
I did indeed include the link to the Village Pump discussion in my original
post, but not in the best or most visible/encouraging way. My apologies.
It's not at all my intention to force anyone to use a platform they don't
like, and I apologize again if I gave that impression.
Many people in our communities discuss very actively and constructively on
Facebook, and increasingly on Telegram, and probably on quite a few other
platforms that may or may not be aligned with our values as much as we
would like. As a long-time Wikimedian in my free time, I'm a strong open
source and OpenGLAM advocate and fan, but I will be the first to admit I'm
not a purist, I do indeed use Facebook and a few of these other Evil
Places, and I don't mind tracking (and pointing to) conversations happening
elsewhere. I do feel conflicted about this (like about many other things in
that complicated thing called life) but I give priority to hearing more
voices here.
The interview is indeed intended as a 'fresh' perspective from an informed
outsider. While we may not agree with everything George says, hopefully
there are nuggets of interesting feedback that we can use to our benefit.
This is not meant to replace the community's ideas, needs and vision at
all. It's additional to it.
Cheers, Sandra
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM Steinsplitter Wiki via Commons-l <
commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>I'm sure we can find a suitable place to
discuss this on-wiki, and
there should be an appropriate link for that.
I see Sara posted it on the VP as well:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Blog_post:_intervie…
:)
>As for the actual topic of the interview, I am
glad to see an outside
opinion from someone who has experience with large,
community-driven media
repositories. I might not agree with all the sentiments, and structured
data and out Next Big Thing did not exactly feature prominently, but I find
it refreshing to leave the echo chamber once in a while.
This is true as well.
BTW: If my initial post sounded a bit rude, please excuse for that. 😊
--Steinsplitter
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*Von:* Commons-l <commons-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org> im Auftrag von
Magnus Manske via Commons-l <commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2018 15:43
*An:* Walter Siegmund; Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
*Betreff:* Re: [Commons-l] new blog post: interview with designer George
Oates about Wikimedia Commons
Some quick thoughts from me.
I, too, find the Facebook/Medium discussion reroute unfortunate (I'm not
even on Facebook), though it might help attract some more newcomers. I'm
sure we can find a suitable place to discuss this on-wiki, and there should
be an appropriate link for that.
As for the actual topic of the interview, I am glad to see an outside
opinion from someone who has experience with large, community-driven media
repositories. I might not agree with all the sentiments, and structured
data and out Next Big Thing did not exactly feature prominently, but I find
it refreshing to leave the echo chamber once in a while.
Cheers,
Magnus
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 2:23 PM Walter Siegmund via Commons-l <
commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Why should we Commons contributors participate in a discussion on
Facebook, a corporation that has generated great wealth for its founder by
distributing advertising that includes democracy-destroying and hate-filled
propaganda? It is antithetical to the principles of most of our
participants. I’m profoundly disappointed that a discussion on Facebook
would be promoted by the office of GLAM and Structured Data, Wikimedia
Foundation.
Best wishes,
Walter
On Oct 31, 2018, at 6:41 AM, Gnangarra via
Commons-l <
commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
I too dislike the idea of having to pay to contribute to a discussion
about
Wikimedia Commons. I also see some irony in advice from a platform
that being generous can be described as having lost its way many years ago,
yes we can learn from the mistakes of others. As others have said
collectively we are capable of amazing things, we are doing something
special as we look forward we mustn't lose sight what our purpose is and
our goals are.
will have
impact so much of what is spoken about wont be relevant
On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 21:15, Iván Hernández Cazorla via Commons-l <
commons-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 31/10/18 13:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) via
Commons-l wrote:
Sandra Fauconnier via Commons-l, 31/10/2018
10:58:
Medium, where you can leave comments:
It's truly terrible if we're now outsourcing comments to an external
proprietary platform.
Totally agree with both of you, Federico and Fae.
I don't understand the outsourcing of comments nor the promotion from
the Wikimedia Foundation of services as Facebook.
Regards,
Iván
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