Commons-l October 2008

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Do we need Mayflower?
by Eugene Zelenko 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

Hi! Looks like topic on Village pump didn't get too much attention. Please express your opinions on http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Mayflower. Eugene.

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Fwd: [Wikitech-l] new extension for embedded music scores
by David Gerard 31 Oct '08

31 Oct '08

A new toy written by River. Not enabled on Wikimedia as yet. cc Raul - you're the music nerd. How limited is ABC? Is there a Lilypond->ABC converter? - d. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: River Tarnell <river(a)loreley.flyingparchment.org.uk> Date: 2008/10/28 Subject: [Wikitech-l] new extension for embedded music scores To: wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 hello, i have written a new extension to embed music scores in MediaWiki pages: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Extension:ABC unlike the Lilypond extension, this uses a simple input language (ABC) that is much easier to validate for security. ABC is mostly used to transcribe Irish trad and other simple tunes, but it recently gained support for more advanced features, e.g. multiple staves and lyrics. this is supported in the extension using the 'abcm2ps' tool. unlike the existing ABC extension (AbcMusic), it doesn't support opening arbitrary files as ABC input (which is a potential security issue), and has several additional features: - - The original ABC can be downloaded easily - - The score can be downloaded as PDF, PostScript, MIDI or Ogg Vorbis - - A media player can be embedded in the page to play the media file i believe the ABC format is suitable for transcribing the majority of scores currently on Wikimedia projects. although it can't handle all of them, it is better than the current situation. plus, as ABC is simple, and existing ABC scores are easily available, it's easier for novice users to contribute. i would be interested to hear peoples' thoughts on enabling this extension on Wikimedia. - river. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFJBwL+IXd7fCuc5vIRAqG6AJ9RxKTGjJ7ywdZoesrTJWrMPtBYrACgjgDX lIY552ilDFaVG1mLzqW1F/Y= =7Tda -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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Re: [Commons-l] A strange error
by Mike.lifeguard 27 Oct '08

27 Oct '08

No, that shouldn't be happening. It doesn't have <noedit>, so you should be permitted to edit it. And it explicitly permits reupload, so rotate bot for example wouldn't be affected. That said, it is /far/ better if these images are renamed upon discovery. I had been doing this for some time; I will have to get back at it. -Mike -- Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard(a)fastmail.fm

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A strange error
by Brianna Laugher 27 Oct '08

27 Oct '08

Hi, I followed a link recently to <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:100_3508.JPG> which was a nominee in the 2007 POTY competition and has since been deleted because it was uploaded under another name. When I attempt to create the page, to add "#REDIRECT [[:Image:A_storm_at_Pors-Loubous.jpg]]", I get this message: ---------------- Permission error You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: The name of the file you are uploading begins with PICT, DSC, image, ..., which is a non-descriptive name typically assigned automatically by digital cameras. Please choose a more descriptive name for your file. ----------------- So... this is kind of weird. Is it just a MediaWiki bug? It seems like this check should only happen when Image: pages are created by new uploads, as opposed to manual editing. Also I thought the "sensible filename" thing was a warning rather than an error. And "permission" is not too accurate for what type of error it is. Just thought I would check if anyone has any insight on this before putting it on bugzilla. thanks Brianna -- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/

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Free in country of origin but not in US
by Robert Rohde 25 Oct '08

25 Oct '08

This is a sort of meta-licensing issue. My understanding has always been that images appearing on Commons are supposed to be free in both their country of origin and in the US [1], since WMF is hosted in the US. The US approach to Berne and related international obligations is fairly simple to understand though in some cases it has some wacky implications. In general, the US says that a work is protected by copyright in the US if and only if a comparable work created by a US citizen and published in the US would be protected. Or in other words, all works published in treaty countries are treated as if they were the works of US citizens (with the exception that certain historical notice and registration provisions are waived). For the purposes of this discussion, I'm going to ignore some of the nuances regarding timing of treaty signatures and URAA reciprocity, which may modify the conclusions in particular cases but not the general gist. The philosophy behind the US implementation of Berne is an easy point of view to express, but it has some difficult implications. In particular, since the US does not honor the rule of the shorter term [2], an image may be subject to US copyright protection for longer (in some cases much longer) than it is subject to copyright protection in its country of origin. As enumerated in Commons:Licensing there are many countries were the copyright term on all or some works is shorter than the 70 years pma usually applied in the US, e.g. China, India, Italy, Japan, etc. This creates a question. Once an image's copyright expires in the country of origin should it be included in Commons even if it hasn't expired in the US yet? Working precedent on Commons often seems to say yes, though a strict reading of copyright law would seem to say no. In addition, there are substantial classes of images, including parts of Freedom of Panorama [3] in particular, where copyright law in other countries includes exemptions that have no corresponding exemption in US law. It appears that Commons routinely includes such images, even without considering whether a comparable image produced in the US would be free or not. In at least some cases, this suggests that foreign authors could use US courts to enforce copyright protections in the US even when there would be no comparable protection available to them in their country of origin. It seems to me that there are many images (and whole categories) where the only criteria for inclusion applied has been whether the image is free in the country of origin, without consideration to whether the work would also be free in the US. Or perhaps I am mistaken about this? Should we be reviewing all foreign images to decide whether a comparable US work would be free, and deleting ones that wouldn't be? -Robert Rohde [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PD#Rule_of_the_shorter_term [3] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_Panorama

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Dental Amalgam
by Bengt Fredin 24 Oct '08

24 Oct '08

Please consider this Hypothesis for publicationYS Bengt Fredin

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"Wikis Take Manhattan"
by Nicolas Guérin 18 Oct '08

18 Oct '08

It seems that a picture contest "Wikis Take Manhattan" has been approved by the Wikimedia Foundation and happened recently. However, looking at the related uploaded pictures on Commons (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_from_Wikis_Take_Manhattan…), i think there's many problems : * All the pictures have no source and date * Most of the pictures have no description * Many needs "Personnality right warning" * Many seems to be out of Commons scope ( see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:WSTM_Thre…) * Many are duplicated pictures In a general case, most of those pictures seem not to meet Commons criteria. Please have a look at all these pictures and try to fix the problems. Guérin Nicolas

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Now computer illiterates can also use the internet with atoall's angle theory
by A to All.com 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

The new language: - First time in this internet world we are going to introduce a new language which we called "angle theory". When two different country's men talking & they don't know each other's language, they behave like deaf & dumb & think about that's student who just finish their computer classes but he can't identify the English words because his mother language is not English. It's his second language. What is way out for that student? The problem is begins. He might familiar with computer basics. But until he away from the sea of knowledge (Internet).( More than 75% population of the World Can't identify English Alphabets but Websites names are available in English only) With our angle theory we'll enable them to surf internet & provide them the best material as they need. AtoAll's Angle theory : - Girls Pictures Angle:- Press in the address bar, three letters twice, which are together on the keyboard, in (7 angle ) e.g. www.aasszz.com for quick girls pictures. For More Details:- Boys Images Angle:- Press in the address bar, three letters twice, which are together on the keyboard in Opposed ' 7 ' angle for fast hot boys wallpapers e.g. ggffvv.com For More Details:- More Fast Web Search Angle:- First time in the world whole keyboard is booked by www.AtoAll.com ( right to left angle) for more easy & fast web search. Type in the address bar three letters twice which are together on the keyboard e.g. www.mmnnbb.com. You will see new more fast search engine. This option is working from whole computer keyboard. For More Details:- Games Angle :- Type two times three letters in opposed A angle which are together on the keyboard for Games. E.g. press in address bar www.jjuuhh.com for games , this option is working from whole keyboard for different games. For More Details:- Funny Clips Angle:- Press in the address bar three letters twice which are together in 'V' angle for fast funny and comedy video clips e.g. ffvvgg.com For More Details:- Wallpapers Angle :- Press three letters twice which are together on the keyboard ( in C angle up to down angle or ) for top & good wallpapers. You can find top wallpapers websites by one shortcut method. E.g. press in the address bar www.wwaazz.com you will see a wallpaper site. This cool option is working from whole keyboard. For More Details:- Videos Angle :- Press three letters twice which are together on the keyboard ( in C angle down to up angle or ) for top & best Videos. Now you can find top Videos by one hot key method. E.g. press in the address bar www.xxssee.com this option is working from whole keyboard. For More Details:- News Angle:- Type three letters twice which are together on the keyboard for easy top news. You can find your top news sites by one method. E.g. Press www.nnjjii.com for news search. This option is working from whole keyboard. For More Details:- Country search Angle:- Type four letters twice which are together on the keyboard for country search engines. If you want to UK search engine then you can start from U (right to left). E.g. press in the address bar www.uuyyttrr.com you will see UK search engine. This option is working from whole keyboard for different countries. For More Details:- Internet Tools Angle:- Now you can use Top Net Tools more easily on ( A angle). Type three letters twice which are together on the keyboard. E.g. for Domain Checking = www.ddrrff.com & www.atoall.com = www.aawwss.com .This option is working from whole keyboard for different tools. For More Details:- Sites Shortcuts Angle :- Type three letters twice which are together on the computer keyboard. You can browse your top websites by easy option. Shortcuts are starting from first letter of website. E.g. shortcut of rapidshare.com is rrttyy.com Powered by atoall.com get your's. For More Details:- More Sites Shortcuts More For Sites Owners Mobiles Search Angle:- Press three letters two times. E.g. Press in the address bar www.ajgajg.com, you will see a fast shortcut search engine web site on your mobile. For More Details:- Hot Sites Angle :- Type two times three letters in ?triangle which are together on the keyboard for hot sites. You can find top Hot sites by single great method. E.g. Press in address bar rrddff ctrl+enter, this option is working from whole keyboard for separate sites. You can call this angle less than < or grater than > angle. For More Details:-

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geograph.org.uk
by Joe Szilagyi 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

http://www.geograph.org.uk/ I'd never heard of this project before I saw it on Boing Boing today. A million freely licensed images of the UK-- have there ever been any discussion of getting with them, to get these on Commons? - Joe

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Our categories are broken, very broken
by Delphine Ménard 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

I need a road sign. I figure there are a bunch of road signs on Commons, so since I am in Wikipedia, I go to the French page for a sign, hoping to swiftly follow the categories to get the the road sign I need. That's my starting point: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_en_sens_unique I dare you to give me sensible a way to get here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:C6.svg ...if you don't speak English. (in the end, it so happens that the sign I was looking for seems not to exist in SVG, I'll make it, using... a google image I found in 2 seconds). How did we get into this mess? Is there a way to start changing this and making something that makes sense? Or is it simply hopeless? It's actually the second time in a few days that I have that problem. Sad. :( Delphine -- ~notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Your emails will get lost. Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org

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