at the moment,
and those proposed workflows don't...really meet what the software seems to
do :S. This is based on the deployment at
Like, if I save a draft, cool. Except it doesn't reappear when I open the
same page's editing window again. Okay, so I check my contributions....it's
not listed there either. From my perspective as someone familiar with
wikipedia, "save draft" never happened. It's asking people to either learn
an entirely new process regardless of their existing mediawiki experience
or dismiss the feature entirely. Is the deployment at Kubo not
representative? If not, what, exactly, is the workflow?
On 15 September 2012 22:26, Thehelpfulone <thehelpfulonewiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Is this on WMF labs for testing purposes? From a brief
read of the
extension info page I see that a user would be able to save their drafts
and access them - but thinking from a helping new users perspective, is
there a way for other users (admins?) to access these drafts to help
newbies who wonder where their drafts are when they navigate away from the
page? This is going to need a lot of documentation, help page information
etc as the idea of drafts is a new concept. New terminology may need to be
introduced now - we currently 'save' a page, but you would 'publish' a
draft.
To add to Oliver's comments below, what would the proposed workflow for
editing be?
Edit page -> Save draft -> Publish draft
Edit page -> Save page
What about when someone wants to 'unpublish' a draft? I imagine there
could be instances when users would accidentally publish their drafts and
then wouldn't want the old drafts to be publicly viewable.
Excuse me if all of these discussions have already happened, if they have
I appear to have missed them!
Thehelpfulone
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On 15 Sep 2012, at 22:10, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Gotcha. I'm going to reply there, but to duplicate my comments for the
sake of people not following the bugzilla thread:
TL;DR, I really oppose turning this on with the way it's formatted now and
using the process that's being discussed.
*For more detail on each point; this is not, as MzMcBride claims, "just a
change to core functionality". It introduces a completely new workflow,
alters existing ones and sticks a big button on the (already overfilled)
page that we know all editors are going to see. There is no way this can be
turned on without a community discussion unless you want a raging storm of
anger hurled in the direction of whoever hits the big red button.
*The UI elements clash with current thinking about the direction that
we're going in. The Micro Designs Improvement project is currently working
on the edit window as we speak, and plans to do a couple more iterations
given the opportunity. I'd rather not throw two competing philosophies of
design into the mix - that works if they're from the same team, but I worry
we'd end up with (at best) an inconsistent UI.
*This really doesn't seem an efficient way to do things. What's the use
case here, exactly? If it's "people would like to save a draft in case they
lose their work", save the draft automatically after [number] of minutes or
seconds rather than requiring them to actually make a decision, and then
just void any drafts after [other number] of minutes or seconds. If it's
"we want to sort how confusing the existing setup is by offering functions
found on other sites", integrate that into the existing workflows to avoid
button bloat. At
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Drafts I'm
seeing edge cases discussed and the workflow discussed...but not how this
in any way can be integrated into how Wikipedia currently works, or how
we'd like it to work, or what exactly the use case is for this software. If
there is a use case, it needs to be communicated. If there isn't, we
shouldn't be turning it on.
On 15 September 2012 21:56, Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Oliver Keyes
<okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:
Can you give a greater explanation? Is this a
standalone extension, is
it part of the E3 team's work....?
No, it's not an E3 thing. Mz just filed a bug bringing up the fact that
it was derelict and potentially useful.
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