I didn't readed the entire discussion here on mailing list neither on COM:AN
simply because I don't have enought time to look for productive comments and
to ignore the flamewar pieces.
Talking only on the logo issue: after months of inactivity (I will be back
on July for 4-8 weeks, returning again on December and leaving again on
February or March 2010) I've logged-in my [[User:555]] account to take a
look at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=…
and I've found a non-copyrightable image!
1) The text is PD according to
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo ;
2) The blue background is simply a blue background. You can't claim for
copyrights on a colour. If you don't see the blue background as a
background, no problem: there is
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-shape for you;
3) The piece that is a good attempt on showing a photography is or a
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-shape or a derivative from
copyleft icons like
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_background.png or
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vista-folder_images.png or
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vista-kview.png or thousands more
that depicts the sky with a mountain.
Fortunately I'm no more a copyright paranoid.
Fell free to open a undeletion request mentioning this message *if* the
Wikimedia Israel guys agrees that the logo for this project don't have
anything with enough creative work to get copyrighted.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Trademarked may or may not apply
for this image.
/me going back to get madden with their college researchs
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
First up correct me I'm making the wrong
assumption here
Pikiwiki is hosted on Israeli servers
Commons is hosted on US servers
The problem that is arising is that there are differences between the
copyright laws of the two countries and what is an acceptable free image use
in Israel is significantly different to what applies in the US and its with
this difference that problems have arisen. Some how we need to explain the
differences to the Pikiwiki community and get their help in addressing the
information we need to host images on US servers.
As a separate issue the purpose, position, and expectations of Commons
within the wider Wikimedia community needs to clarified, when I came to
Commons it was as repository of free media, primarily to design to support
cross project use of that media without the need to have multiple copies of
the same file stored on the servers. From where it sit that hasnt changed,
the people/admins of Commons havent gone rogue but at the moment it appears
that we as members of that community are under seige. While Cary's comments
on commons, and this discussion have helped to stimulate further discussion
I think the approach of take all the files fromPikiwiki then you(Commons
community) can sort the copyright problems later, because that what your
there for isnt helpful or reasonable.
I agree with Dror involving the Foundation in this because its a
fundamental concern that needs to be fixed and something that has the
potential to bite at the core of our society. Whats needed from the
Foundation is physical assistance in assessing, transfering the images and
ensuring that before they are hosted on Commons servers the image do comly
with US and source copyright laws what isnt need is further bashing of the
people on Commons who are trying to ensure the image can be hosted.
2009/6/5 W Knight <wknight94(a)gmail.com>
Just a point of fact: the upload bot is still blocked at this time:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&a…
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Abigor <abigor(a)forgotten-beauty.com>wrote;wrote:
Gerard,
The PikiWiki project is lead by three organisations and not only
wikimedia
Israel.
I don't think the problem is Commons accepting the project. But even if
we
see it as one of our sisterprojects it still needs to follow Commons
Policies. The same counts for En.Wiki the can't upload fair use on
Commons
because the policy. There are other project that al almost the same like
Http://www.wikiportret.nl or photosubmission project on En.wiki both the
projects need to get otrs permission for every upload and give as source
the projectsite. I think this would be a good way to go with Pikiwiki.
About the block, as far as I know the bot is already unblocked. But we
have like 2.500 images already on Commons that need to be fixed before we
upload even more images.
huib
Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor
msn: Abigor(a)forgotten-beauty.com
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