Hello Caryl, Let me break the 1980 alumni silence. So sorry you missed the 40th. It was amazing! On Saturday night, everyone was coming into the clearing among the pecan trees and saying lots of things about Doc and all the years, etc. only to be completely upstaged by a young lad who stood up on his picnic bench and said, "I would just like to say that I think you are the Best Grandpa anyone could ever have..." It was an impossible act to follow! Don't think you were a terrible Windalean. Lots of us feel that way. You were bright, smiling, witty and on stage you sparkled! We always think we were the worst, or at least some of us do. As you so wisely observed, however, failure or (thinking you failed) is a better teacher than great success. I have always found solace and knowledge in that. Congratulations on your wedding anniversary! By the way, you were the only person who wrote in ink that lasted these 40 years on my Winedale poster of 1980. The rest of us have almost faded away. I think of you every time I look at the poster which is daily. Anon Dear Olivia! Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Caryl Gorska<mailto:gorska@gorska.com> To: winedale-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:winedale-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Winedale-l] Winedale-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 Hello from your silent alumna from 1980; Having missed the big reunion this summer and aslo having met the fascinating and personable David Ziegler through Mike (Godwin), and even enjoyed his hospitality and delicious food in is way cool Oakland digs, I am very sad to say I won't be able to be there and enjoy the festivities (rum punch -- yeah). In fact it sucks. Maybe we can do it again later, chez moi, in Cupertino? I have a good excuse -- I will be in India, celebrating my fifth wedding anniversary on the beaches of Goa. Meantime i want to report that I'm still maintaining my ties to Shakespeare in my own odd fashion. First, for my birthday, me and hubby and dear Indian friends attended the Sf Free Shakespeare in the Park performance of Two Gentlemen of Verona, in August. They come to the park next door to our house every year at this time, and are really awesome. I used to watch them every September in Golden Gate Park, and their performances are always inventive, yet faithful. This production was done in a 60's London Mod mode, with carefully (and brilliantly) selected tunes by Marianne Faithful etc. played by the characters to start or end scenes. We had the young first-generation American son of our friends with us, who is a high-school thespian who's already familiar with the Bard and laughed louder than anyone else at the jokes. It was so rewarding to see how he got it, and how a new generation continues the love. Secondly, last night my husband and I watched a Hindi movie adaptation of Othello (still my all-time favorite), Omkara (it's on NetFlix, check it out). The director did a brilliant job of integrating the story in modern-day yet traditional Rajasthani culture, shot on location in the dusty Thar desert. I had forgotten that Othello had actually kidnapped Desdemona (tho only a nominal kidnapping since she was so willing), but this feature of the story was emphasized because in traditional Indian culture there's often a ritual kidnapping, even when the bride is willing; the parents have to accept, based on the young lovers' desire, and the blessing of the village elders. Knowing a little bit about Indian culture now, I have to say that the story of Othello translated perfectly -- proving once again the universalities of Shakespeare's themes, across time and culture. While I'm on the subject, I also have to recommend a most beautiful Hindi movie from the sixties calles Shakespeare-Wallah, in black-and-white, an early film by Merchant/Ivory. It's about an English family of Shakespearean actors in India, with a teenage daughter who's never seen England, who travel the countryside of India performing Shakespeare (other roles filled by Indian actors). Their business is waning, as the Maharajas who invite them to perform at court are in decline. It's a naturalistic family drama played out in beautiful but decaying locales, and the parents are dedicated artists who realize their careers and audience are ending. It;s haunting, lovely, and demonstrates the vocation of actors to their art, and Shakespeare. Doc, if you're reading, I was a terribe Winedalian, but know that the experience transformed me and has informed my life ever since. I am a sometime afficianado, but when I'm in the zone, the most ardent advocate. I have introduced Shakespeare to a real motley crew of novices, who easily became fans. I had the pleasure of visiting the new Globe theater in London a few years back, and got to see what the scene was when the plays were performed for Londoners, high and low, at the time. Was horrified (!) to discover that ladies peed in their dresses on the ground during performances (too much ale and not enough ladies rooms -- well actually, i think, NO ladies rooms), and that courtesans (the polite term) conducted their business in the upper balconies throughout the performance. But Thank God for the hoi polloi, or else we wouldn't have all that comic relief from the servants, even in the tragedies. I just LOVE the fact that even today, my young Indian-American friend got all the jokes AND appreciated the language, however foreign to his everyday life. And though I consider my experience at Winedale a failure, it was a failure I learned from in so many ways. Caryl Gorska (used to be Gorski) From: winedale-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:winedale-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 09:09 PM To: winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Winedale-l Digest, Vol 9, Issue 8 Send Winedale-l mailing list submissions to winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/winedale-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to winedale-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at winedale-l-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Winedale-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: San Francisco bound? (James Ayres) 2. Re: San Francisco bound? (David Ziegler) 3. Re: San Francisco bound? (Mike Godwin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:13:03 -0700 From: James Ayres Subject: Re: [Winedale-l] San Francisco bound? To: Mike Godwin Cc: Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;93C55D8D-D488-4593-A056-D4A15AD4E848(a)cvctx.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hurry up on that, will you! Doc On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > Doc, I'll let you know when I've mastered virtual lobster. > > > --m > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM, James Ayres wrote: > Mike: > > Given your wizardry, could you not develop a virtual approach to > this affair. I can almost taste the lobster. > > Doc > > > On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > >> I still don't have complete memories of the last time Ziegler >> hosted one of these Winedale events at his place. That's how much >> fun it was. >> >> >> --m >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM, James Ayres >> wrote: >> This has all the wonderful stuff of fairy tale. Yellow-brick >> golden-gated journey with summer folk and Indians and Figaro BBQ. >> Wish I could join you! Send me a photo, OK? with Tony Bennett? >> >> Love, >> >> Doc >> >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:14 PM, David Ziegler wrote: >> >>> Hey all and everyone ... >>> >>> Turns out there's a little gathering of some 2010 Summer folk >>> that's going to happen in early October here in San Francisco. >>> Yours truly (who lives here), Mike Godwin (who lives here), Kathy >>> Blackbird (from Austin), Craig Hurwitz (from Chicago), Jayne Noble >>> (from Dallas), and Matt Kozusko (from Philadelphia) are all >>> planning a weekend of (certainly) fun in the City (that's SF for >>> those of you live in other "The City"s), (hopefully) sun in the >>> Bay Area (should be our Indian Summer), (possibly) opera (Marriage >>> of Figaro), (most likely) shenanigans (undoubtedly drunken blank >>> verse), and general conviviality. If you are going to be, or can >>> be, in or near San Francisco on October 9, 10, 11 (when I'll most >>> likely have a bbq here in Oakland), you are begged to let me know >>> so we can include you in our festive pleasures. >>> >>> So consider yourself invited, and let me know if we will see you, >>> and I'll pass on more details as they evolve. >>> >>> Yours now and always, >>> >>> David >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Winedale-l mailing list >>> Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/winedale-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Winedale-l mailing list >> Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/winedale-l >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/winedale-l/attachments/20100917/b4031f… ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:23:54 -0700 From: "David Ziegler" Subject: Re: [Winedale-l] San Francisco bound? To: "James Ayres" , "Mike Godwin" Cc: Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh no, I usually get away with some burgers and some chicken legs and maybe a pulled pork ... (and a bucket load of rum punch) ... now I've got spring for a LOBSTER? and figure out how to virtually thermidor it? Game ON! From: James Ayres Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 6:13 PM To: Mike Godwin Cc: David Ziegler ; Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Winedale-l] San Francisco bound? Hurry up on that, will you! Doc On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: Doc, I'll let you know when I've mastered virtual lobster. --m On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM, James Ayres wrote: Mike: Given your wizardry, could you not develop a virtual approach to this affair. I can almost taste the lobster. Doc On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: I still don't have complete memories of the last time Ziegler hosted one of these Winedale events at his place. That's how much fun it was. --m On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM, James Ayres wrote: This has all the wonderful stuff of fairy tale. Yellow-brick golden-gated journey with summer folk and Indians and Figaro BBQ. Wish I could join you! Send me a photo, OK? with Tony Bennett? Love, Doc On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:14 PM, David Ziegler wrote: Hey all and everyone ... Turns out there's a little gathering of some 2010 Summer folk that's going to happen in early October here in San Francisco. Yours truly (who lives here), Mike Godwin (who lives here), Kathy Blackbird (from Austin), Craig Hurwitz (from Chicago), Jayne Noble (from Dallas), and Matt Kozusko (from Philadelphia) are all planning a weekend of (certainly) fun in the City (that's SF for those of you live in other "The City"s), (hopefully) sun in the Bay Area (should be our Indian Summer), (possibly) opera (Marriage of Figaro), (most likely) shenanigans (undoubtedly drunken blank verse), and general conviviality. If you are going to be, or can be, in or near San Francisco on October 9, 10, 11 (when I'll most likely have a bbq here in Oakland), you are begged to let me know so we can include you in our festive pleasures. So consider yourself invited, and let me know if we will see you, and I'll pass on more details as they evolve. Yours now and always, David _______________________________________________ Winedale-l mailing list Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/winedale-l _______________________________________________ Winedale-l mailing list Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/winedale-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/winedale-l/attachments/20100917/2702bb… ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:08:55 -0700 From: Mike Godwin Subject: Re: [Winedale-l] San Francisco bound? To: David Ziegler Cc: Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Didn't Lobster Thermidor mark the end of the Reign of Teriyaki? --m On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:23 PM, David Ziegler wrote: > Oh no, I usually get away with some burgers and some chicken legs and > maybe a pulled pork ... (and a bucket load of rum punch) ... now I've got > spring for a LOBSTER? and figure out how to virtually thermidor it? > > Game ON! > > > > *From:* James Ayres > *Sent:* Friday, September 17, 2010 6:13 PM > *To:* Mike Godwin > *Cc:* David Ziegler ; > Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Winedale-l] San Francisco bound? > > Hurry up on that, will you! > > Doc > On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > > Doc, I'll let you know when I've mastered virtual lobster. > > > --m > > > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:02 PM, James Ayres wrote: > >> Mike: >> >> Given your wizardry, could you not develop a virtual approach to this >> affair. I can almost taste the lobster. >> >> Doc >> >> >> On Sep 16, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: >> >> I still don't have complete memories of the last time Ziegler hosted >> one of these Winedale events at his place. That's how much fun it was. >> >> >> --m >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 5:35 PM, James Ayres wrote: >> >>> This has all the wonderful stuff of fairy tale. Yellow-brick >>> golden-gated journey with summer folk and Indians and Figaro BBQ. Wish I >>> could join you! Send me a photo, OK? with Tony Bennett? >>> >>> Love, >>> >>> Doc >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 15, 2010, at 9:14 PM, David Ziegler wrote: >>> >>> Hey all and everyone ... >>> >>> Turns out there's a little gathering of some 2010 Summer folk that's >>> going to happen in early October here in San Francisco. Yours truly (who >>> lives here), Mike Godwin (who lives here), Kathy Blackbird (from Austin), >>> Craig Hurwitz (from Chicago), Jayne Noble (from Dallas), and Matt Kozusko >>> (from Philadelphia) are all planning a weekend of (certainly) fun in the >>> City (that's SF for those of you live in other "The City"s), (hopefully) sun >>> in the Bay Area (should be our Indian Summer), (possibly) opera (Marriage of >>> Figaro), (most likely) shenanigans (undoubtedly drunken blank verse), and >>> general conviviality. If you are going to be, or can be, in or near San >>> Francisco on October 9, 10, 11 (when I'll most likely have a bbq here in >>> Oakland), you are begged to let me know so we can include you in our festive >>> pleasures. >>> >>> So consider yourself invited, and let me know if we will see you, and >>> I'll pass on more details as they evolve. >>> >>> Yours now and always, >>> >>> David >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Winedale-l mailing list >>> Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/winedale-l >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Winedale-l mailing list >>> Winedale-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/winedale-l >>> >>> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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