Very important: It should link to wikivoyage.org, not en.wikivoyage.org.

The banner is launched. It is currently up in only the 17 languages that were translated, there are a couple more in the proof read stage and once those are set any meta admin can add them to the banner and add the language to the campaign. I'll try to keep an eye on the page as well. So that everyone knows: Currently it's showing to about 40% of logged in editors on English Wikipedia (sharing with the logged in shop banner and the steward banner). Elsewhere it's showing at 80/20 with the steward nomination banner (non admins will just see no banner for that 20% .. no real way to avoid that). It's possible that people will want to bump up the steward nom banner so that it's a bit more visible (perhaps 70/30 ) For logged out users you are currently 100% anon for all 17 languages. In a couple hours I'm going to put up the shop banner so you'll share 50/50 only in the US/Canada and Mexico (and only on English Wikipedia) for 24 hours and then back at 100%. I think that's the only anonymous banner going up in the next couple days so everything else should be 100%. James James Alexander Manager, Merchandise Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:09 PM, James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikivoyage-l mailing list Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:56 PM, James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Can we turn it off on Wikivoyage.org itself? Since the sites also have

Um, is sending people to the portal good? Let's think about this. Many people might not go any farther than one click into a banner (how far would you go?). Are we wasting their time if we only show the to the portal in that one click? What of interest is there on the portal? Not much at all. Zilch rather. Much better to show them to a Wikivoyage Main Page which has a much better change showing them something they are interested in. So I think we want the URL to be '''//en.wikivoyage.org''' for _all translations_ except only the 8 non-English versions of Wikivoyage (de, es, fr, it, nl, pt, ru, sv) which could link to their respective version. The biggest number of banner impressions will be on en.Wikipedia of course. Could someone who is an admin on Meta and knows how to do central notice translation edits take care of setting the URLs to //en.wikivoyage.org, especially for "en" please? Feel free to discuss here first.. but please give this some thought. I think people want to see our Main Page in one banner click, not the portal. I need to turn in for the night. Will see you all in the morning! Roger :-) On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:22 PM, James Alexander <jalexander(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikivoyage-l mailing list Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

So I think we want the URL to be '''//en.wikivoyage.org''' for _all translations_ except only the 8 non-English versions of Wikivoyage (de, es, fr, it, nl, pt, ru, sv) which could link to their respective version. The biggest number of banner impressions will be on en.Wikipedia of course. Could someone who is an admin on Meta and knows how to do central notice translation edits take care of setting the URLs to //en.wikivoyage.org, especially for "en" please?

Hello, I agree with that. The default landing page should be the Portal, not the English version. Regards, Yann 2013/1/15 Powers <LtPowers_Wiki(a)rochester.rr.com>om>: _______________________________________________ Wikivoyage-l mailing list Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

There may be some Latvians who understand Russian but not English

On 15/01/13 11:01, Cacahuate wrote: I disagree. Anyone clicking from en: simple: meta: might be looking for English, but the choice of second language for languages that we don't have is going to vary. No Haïtien Creole? Bon, on essaye en français. There may be some Latvians who understand Russian but not English. Galego Wikipedia users might want español or português as obvious alternates as gl: is linguistically and geographically wedged between the two (fala Portuñol?) much like Basque is between fr: and es: Admittedly, I'm at a disadvantage here, never having learned a foreign language. One message that *should* be translated is a request that individual wikis replace their {{wikitravel}} template and any wikitravel: interwikis with the Wikivoyage sibling link, then delete the old template (en: and one or two others have already done this, but we're still left with hundreds of links from a long list of languages like Indonesian or Finnish which really need to be updated by someone who speaks these languages). I can't easily raise an issue on the Indonesian village dump / village pump if I only speak Canadian, for instance. There might be a page named "embassy" on the individual projects which handles this sort of co-ordination across languages? _______________________________________________ Wikivoyage-l mailing list Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

Please change the default banner link back to en.wikivoyage.org. Here's why: Links to various language versions are in the left sidebar of every Wikipedia and Wikivoyage page. The _very small_ number of our default banner clicking audience who don't want English should not drive our choice here. De, es, fr, it, nl, pt, ru, and sv Wikipedia should all have custom links to respective language. The default link for all other language version banners and most importantly the English Wikipedia banner should definitely be en.wikivoyage.org. The hard fact (those who know more about this please chime in) is that most people clicking a banner are only curious and will go away if this click only takes them to a boring portal. They have other things to do. We will have failed badly, and wasted our Central Notice spot, if many people who click our banner never even see our site. These people were consulting Wikipedia for a reason and understandably wanted to get back to what they were doing. Asking them to go farther than one click into our banner is overreaching. So skip the portal. When I started working on our banner, I was sure the portal was the place to send people because *I* wanted to show off all our language versions. I also wanted to show off some of our beautiful travel photos right in the banner itself. But that would have required a separate photo credits link in the banner. Jalexander, who has done many central notice banners, told me that he had found that putting more than one link in a banner actually confuses people about where we are leading them and many respond to that lack of direction by not clicking on the banner at all. Oh, I realized, *I* wanted to show people two things, our portal AND our site, but that people would respond to this lack of direction by going away because they only want to see one thing and then get back to what they were doing. So the question becomes, do we want people to see our portal or our site? And which would people find more rewarding to see? It's a matter of perspective. I propose we honor the perspective of most of our banner viewers and show them the en.wikivoyage Main Page, unless they are viewing one of the eight other language versions of Wikipedia for which we have a Wikivoyage version. CentralNotice is a hugely powerful messenger, it is a shame to use it badly. I don't think people's feelings will be hurt by our portal but I do think most of them will feel it is so much uninspired and boring cruft and many will go no farther. Period. What a shame that would be. So link to our site directly, not the portal. People don't want to go to another page to another page. They are wary of that time sink. This is not about our feelings. It is about the feelings off the huge number of people we are showing the banner to who frankly expect us to show them something interesting in _one_ click. It is about doing this smart. Let's not bore them with our portal. Please think this through. It is exciting. But let's face it, you and I are more interested in Wikivoyage than most people. Let's not start off boring them with our boring portal. If they are genuinely interested, they will find it soon enough next time they type wikivoyage into their location bar. But they wont even do that if they haven't first seen the site and what it offers. We need to offer a first glimpse of the site, not a fist glimpse of the boring portal. Most people will be lending us only five seconds of their time. Let's not squander it. I designed the banner's default link, and the English version link, to be en.wikivoyage.org for above reasons. Would a Meta admin please change it back to en.wikivoyage.org. Sure, wait for discussion, but don't wait till tomorrow... the notice is running now. Roger _______________________________________________ Wikivoyage-l mailing list Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

It is my opinion that we should link from the language version in which WV exists to that language version as suggested by Roger. Keep it simple.

-----Original Message----- From: roger(a)rogerchrisman.com [mailto:roger@rogerchrisman.com] Sent: Tuesday 15 January 2013 13:58 To: Wikivoyage Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] Wikivoyage launch central notice Please change the default banner link back to en.wikivoyage.org. Here's why: Links to various language versions are in the left sidebar of every Wikipedia and Wikivoyage page. The _very small_ number of our default banner clicking audience who don't want English should not drive our choice here. De, es, fr, it, nl, pt, ru, and sv Wikipedia should all have custom links to respective language. The default link for all other language version banners and most importantly the English Wikipedia banner should definitely be en.wikivoyage.org. The hard fact (those who know more about this please chime in) is that most people clicking a banner are only curious and will go away if this click only takes them to a boring portal. They have other things to do. We will have failed badly, and wasted our Central Notice spot, if many people who click our banner never even see our site. These people were consulting Wikipedia for a reason and understandably wanted to get back to what they were doing. Asking them to go farther than one click into our banner is overreaching. So skip the portal. When I started working on our banner, I was sure the portal was the place to send people because *I* wanted to show off all our language versions. I also wanted to show off some of our beautiful travel photos right in the banner itself. But that would have required a separate photo credits link in the banner. Jalexander, who has done many central notice banners, told me that he had found that putting more than one link in a banner actually confuses people about where we are leading them and many respond to that lack of direction by not clicking on the banner at all. Oh, I realized, *I* wanted to show people two things, our portal AND our site, but that people would respond to this lack of direction by going away because they only want to see one thing and then get back to what they were doing. So the question becomes, do we want people to see our portal or our site? And which would people find more rewarding to see? It's a matter of perspective. I propose we honor the perspective of most of our banner viewers and show them the en.wikivoyage Main Page, unless they are viewing one of the eight other language versions of Wikipedia for which we have a Wikivoyage version. CentralNotice is a hugely powerful messenger, it is a shame to use it badly. I don't think people's feelings will be hurt by our portal but I do think most of them will feel it is so much uninspired and boring cruft and many will go no farther. Period. What a shame that would be. So link to our site directly, not the portal. People don't want to go to another page to another page. They are wary of that time sink. This is not about our feelings. It is about the feelings off the huge number of people we are showing the banner to who frankly expect us to show them something interesting in _one_ click. It is about doing this smart. Let's not bore them with our portal. Please think this through. It is exciting. But let's face it, you and I are more interested in Wikivoyage than most people. Let's not start off boring them with our boring portal. If they are genuinely interested, they will find it soon enough next time they type wikivoyage into their location bar. But they wont even do that if they haven't first seen the site and what it offers. We need to offer a first glimpse of the site, not a fist glimpse of the boring portal. Most people will be lending us only five seconds of their time. Let's not squander it. I designed the banner's default link, and the English version link, to be en.wikivoyage.org for above reasons. Would a Meta admin please change it back to en.wikivoyage.org. Sure, wait for discussion, but don't wait till tomorrow... the notice is running now. Roger

All other wiki's --> Banner --> www.wikivoyage.org ------------------------------------------------------------------- That is simple. Reasons why this is best are in my 10:57am post of earlier today.

-----Original Message----- From: Cacahuate [mailto:yocacahuate@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday 15 January 2013 22:18 To: Wikivoyage Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] Wikivoyage launch central notice LtP, you can't possibly think that the number of users clicking on the banner from wp:en and seeking a language other than wv:en could be anything but minuscule. And for the tiny group that might be, the other languages are then just a 2nd click away, from two different points on the en main page. Making it just as accessible as linking to the portal would. Not a single click extra Cacahuate On Jan 15, 2013, at 2:12 PM, "Powers" <LtPowers_Wiki(a)rochester.rr.com> wrote: it make going to difficult

No central notice is showing on Wikipedia right now. Wikivoyage Launch is only showing on the other sister projects now, alternating with other notices and sometimes no notice.

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Casey Brown <lists(a)caseybrown.org> wrote: It's also working for me. ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 philippe(a)wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikivoyage-l mailing list Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

The global site notice on languages like fr.wikipedia.org (and likely others like de: it: sv: where Wikivoyage has a local version) is pointing to en.wikivoyage.org instead of the same-language version of Wikivoyage. Can this be corrected? _______________________________________________ Wikivoyage-l mailing list Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

PLEASE change it back. I don’t agree with Roger’s concerns and think sending people to the portal is absolutely the right way to go. Even worse than sending English readers to the English Wikivoyage directly is sending NON-English readers to the English version directly. It’s extremely important that we show people how many language versions we have. Direct people to the PORTAL; do not assume what language version they want to read!! Come on, people.