Hi,
What's going on here?
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SheikhTravel
It appears we got one of our first actual user indef ban without so much as nomination?
I don't want to tread on toes, but this seems totally out of line with current policy..
Ian.
Run of the mill spammer, replaced normal useful texts with spam to his own website and ignoring warnings, not sure what the big deal or problem is. How would you suggest it be dealt otherwise?
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0159, Ian Sergeant wrote:
Hi,
What's going on here?
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SheikhTravel
It appears we got one of our first actual user indef ban without so much as nomination?
I don't want to tread on toes, but this seems totally out of line with current policy..
Ian.
I should also add that the user was not indeed banned but rather indefinitely blocked.
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0210, Snowolf wrote:
Run of the mill spammer, replaced normal useful texts with spam to his own website and ignoring warnings, not sure what the big deal or problem is. How would you suggest it be dealt otherwise?
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0159, Ian Sergeant wrote:
Hi,
What's going on here?
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SheikhTravel
It appears we got one of our first actual user indef ban without so much as nomination?
I don't want to tread on toes, but this seems totally out of line with current policy..
Ian.
Our practice for this has been to just revert, leave a talk message, and if necessary, blacklist the spammer's url. We've actually never indefinitely blocked anyone except for doppelgangers and spambot created accounts. The more exhaustive guidance is at or linked from Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted editshttp://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:How_to_handle_unwanted_edits .
-Peter
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Snowolf ml@snowolf.eu wrote:
I should also add that the user was not indeed banned but rather indefinitely blocked.
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0210, Snowolf wrote:
Run of the mill spammer, replaced normal useful texts with spam to his own website and ignoring warnings, not sure what the big deal or problem is. How would you suggest it be dealt otherwise?
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0159, Ian Sergeant wrote:
Hi,
What's going on here?
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SheikhTravel
It appears we got one of our first actual user indef ban without so much as nomination?
I don't want to tread on toes, but this seems totally out of line with current policy..
Ian.
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Hi,
In this case I'm not even convinced there was anything much to revert. The only edits the user made were to his own talk page, and a clear mistake in editing a policy page. I'm not sure there was any real need for any kind of block or ban.
Personally, I'd have given them a welcome along the lines of
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Welcome,_business_owners
and hoped that their edits to the guides were constructive.
I'm a bit concerned about the undocumented appeal policy that seems to have crept in too.
Ian.
On 21 January 2013 13:34, Peter B Fitzgerald pbf5@georgetown.edu wrote:
Our practice for this has been to just revert, leave a talk message, and if necessary, blacklist the spammer's url. We've actually never indefinitely blocked anyone except for doppelgangers and spambot created accounts. The more exhaustive guidance is at or linked from Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted editshttp://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:How_to_handle_unwanted_edits .
-Peter
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Snowolf ml@snowolf.eu wrote:
I should also add that the user was not indeed banned but rather indefinitely blocked.
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0210, Snowolf wrote:
Run of the mill spammer, replaced normal useful texts with spam to his own website and ignoring warnings, not sure what the big deal or problem is. How would you suggest it be dealt otherwise?
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0159, Ian Sergeant wrote:
Hi,
What's going on here?
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SheikhTravel
It appears we got one of our first actual user indef ban without so
much
as nomination?
I don't want to tread on toes, but this seems totally out of line with current policy..
Ian.
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Our policy pages have never been updated to make a distinction between bans and blocks; they should be considered synonymous for policy purposes, at least for the time being. (It's never been a problem before because we never block anyone except to enforce a ban.)
I quote from https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:How_to_handle_unwanted_edits#User_ ban: "Bans made without a vote and without an understanding of the gravity of this action (and not covered by one of the exceptions listed below) are considered abuse by the administrator. '''In other words, a user ban is a really, really big deal.'''"
At this point, you should either rescind the block or else put it up on the ban nominations page for consideration by the community.
Powers &8^]
-----Original Message----- From: Snowolf [mailto:ml@snowolf.eu] Sent: Sunday 20 January 2013 20:13 To: wikivoyage-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikivoyage-l] User bans
I should also add that the user was not indeed banned but rather indefinitely blocked.
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0210, Snowolf wrote:
Run of the mill spammer, replaced normal useful texts with spam to his own website and ignoring warnings, not sure what the big deal or problem is. How would you suggest it be dealt otherwise?
Snowolf
On 2013-01-21 0159, Ian Sergeant wrote:
Hi,
What's going on here?
http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/User_talk:SheikhTravel
It appears we got one of our first actual user indef ban without so
much
as nomination?
I don't want to tread on toes, but this seems totally out of line with current policy..
Ian.
wikivoyage-l@lists.wikimedia.org