Wikivoyage-l November 2012

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Wikivoyage pages on Meta-Wiki
by Federico Leva (Nemo) 12 Nov '12

12 Nov '12

I've moved [[Travel Guide]] to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage per talk request. Now https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikivoyage should be the main discussion venue for meta-(cross-language-)issues in Wikivoyage. As Meta-Wiki replaces Wikivoyage general in this role, I've also imported a few dozens pages which seemed still relevant to the new context or still active, see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wikivoyage/ and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikivoyage The most important pages in this moment would seem to be https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/New_language_versions and all https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Migration/New_policies subpages. I hope this will help speed up the process. Please help cleaning up and updating the imported pages and let me know if you need more of them; I didn't find anything of persistent interest on wikivoyage tech, except the documentation for extensions which seems already superseded by new pages on mediawiki.org. Nemo

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<centralauth-error-unmerged>
by Berth.Gabel 12 Nov '12

12 Nov '12

Wikivoyage-User Bgabel (Berthold) Hello, it is nice that Wikivoyage tells me to stop my work. Editing any page I always get the message <centralauth-error-unmerged>, Why? and how to solve this problem? If we had nothing to do that might be O.K., but now it is boring. Greetings Berthold

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Local file import; write access to wikivoyage-old.org
by Erik Moeller 11 Nov '12

11 Nov '12

Hi folks, we did not import local files. These, like WTS and SHARED files, need to be vetted and uploaded either locally (under the non-free content policy) or to Commons. They should not be uploaded in bulk without review. My apologies for not having made this clear earlier. I suggest that we ask the WikiVoyage e.V. folks to enable write access only to the File: namespace on the 1.19.1 wikis (En, Ru, Fr, Nl, Sv). This would allow these files to continue to be tagged. The namespace restriction would be enabled using this setting: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespaceProtection Does this make sense? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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Making the portal pretty
by Erik Moeller 11 Nov '12

11 Nov '12

As you know there's a portal at https://www.wikivoyage.org/ . The raw HTML is editable by sysops here and automatically updated from Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikivoyage.org_template If you'd like to suggest changes, try them locally, and post them to a subpage, e.g.: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Www.wikivoyage.org_template/Temp then point them out on the talk page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikivoyage.org_template One important design principle we try to go for is to avoid English-only text so the portal is usable without having to switch languages. Cheers, Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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Fwd: Wikivoyage project launch/migration update
by Erik Moeller 11 Nov '12

11 Nov '12

As you know :). Not trying to make too much of a splash given the beta status but hope more folks are going to get involved with cleanup issues. Do note the point below about Incubator: To start a new language, just visit one that doesn't exist and follow the instructions provided, e.g.: https://pl.wikivoyage.org Other stuff that should already work: * HTTPS without warnings * Collection extension for PDFs/printed boooks * https://www.wikivoyage.org/ portal Biggest remaining issues I'm aware of: * Mobile site (needs to be setup by ops) * Search index (needs to be regenerated, pending) * Potential additional issues with some user accounts (let us know) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org> Date: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Wikivoyage project launch/migration update To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> So, if you've not been following along on wikivoyage-l ( https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l ), you should know that Wikivoyage is now hosted on WMF servers. :) We're currently in "beta", as there's still lots of smaller and larger issues to work through, including transferring images to Commons or local wikis as appropriate. But now's a great time to get involved if you want to help fix things. These are the languages that are live now: https://en.wikivoyage.org/ https://de.wikivoyage.org/ https://ru.wikivoyage.org/ https://nl.wikivoyage.org/ https://it.wikivoyage.org/ https://sv.wikivoyage.org/ But, any other language code should gracefully redict you to Wikimedia Incubator, where you can easily get started to prove viability of a new language. :-) Like I said: Lots of things are still wonky. If you notice something you can't fix, please report it on Bugzilla and add it as a blocker for the tracking bug here: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41184 While we're not done yet, I'd like to take this chance to thank everyone who's been part of the process so far: * the existing communities for being awesome in supporting this migration :-) * Wikivoyage e.V. and especially Hans (for being our main tech contact managing the DB transfers), Stefan (for handling all the organizational fun), and Roland (for technical support and review). * the WMF technical launch team: Chris Steipp, Daniel Zahn, Matthias Mullie, Sam Reed + everyone who chipped in with help and support. * the WMF legal and community advocacy team: Geoff Brigham, Kelly Kay, Philippe Beaudette, and everyone else who helped. * anyone else I've forgotten to name :-) All the best, Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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Update and Disclaimer
by Chris Steipp 11 Nov '12

11 Nov '12

Hi Everyone, I'm sorry to say that the sites are not yet launched, although we are getting closer. We have encountered a few unexpected issues that have delayed us, and the overall transfer process is taking much longer than anticipated. We're importing the data as quickly as we can without impacting other WMF sites, and are nearing the end of the transfer process. After that, we'll be doing some final QA to make sure that everything is working, and then we'll point dns to the new servers. In the meantime, the WMF legal team has also asked that we launch the sites with new wording on the Disclaimer pages, using language as close to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/Disclaimer as possible. It would be great if we could get some help with the translation, and make sure this isn't going to be an issue for any of the communities. Thanks for your continued patience, and I have to be announcing the sites' availability soon! Chris

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Admin
by Yann Forget 09 Nov '12

09 Nov '12

Hello, I was admin on the English and French WikiTravel sites. Is it possible to become admin admin on the English and French WikiVoyage sites? I am admin on Wikimedia Commons. I am Yann everywhere. Best regards, Yann

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Re: [Wikivoyage-l] Logo discussion
by Cacahuate 09 Nov '12

09 Nov '12

Lt Powers has a valid concern, that several of us share, and it has nothing to do with liking the logo or not. Cacahuate On Nov 7, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Snowolf <ml(a)snowolf.eu> wrote: > So you feel a logo you don't like shouldn't become the logo and so raise it here? Please... > > I'm sure Philippe is watching the discussion and has already commented that for example the whole idea about the colors not being used is not a concern or a problem on WMF's part. > > Snowolf > > On 07/11/2012 17:53, Powers wrote: >> The Wikivoyage logo poll is generating strong support for an option that looks extremely similar to the Meta-Wiki logo. Several of us feel that this will create brand confusion and numerous problems down the road, but it still has strong support from folks who think that similarity – which in this case goes far beyond just the colors – is an asset. Is there any way we can get WMF’s brand identity team (or whomever) to comment on whether such a logo would be acceptable, ideally before we get into stage 2 of the poll? >> >> >> Powers &8^] > _______________________________________________ > Wikivoyage-l mailing list > Wikivoyage-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivoyage-l

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Publicizing the launch
by Peter B Fitzgerald 08 Nov '12

08 Nov '12

Just a reminder to everyone to please remember to *not* publicize our launch yet! Until the image transfer is more complete, our admin resources will be stretched very thin, if we get a ream of new editors working on the site. Thank you, -Peter

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Logo discussion
by Powers 08 Nov '12

08 Nov '12

The Wikivoyage logo poll is generating strong support for an option that looks extremely similar to the Meta-Wiki logo. Several of us feel that this will create brand confusion and numerous problems down the road, but it still has strong support from folks who think that similarity - which in this case goes far beyond just the colors - is an asset. Is there any way we can get WMF's brand identity team (or whomever) to comment on whether such a logo would be acceptable, ideally before we get into stage 2 of the poll? Powers &8^]

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