Hi all,
Some of you may find this new book interesting:
"Wikiworld - Political Economy and the Promise of Participatory Media"
From the book:
"A case in point in the collaborative turn is Wikipedia and its sister projects like Wikiversity, which in our estimate will soon confront nationally governed educational systems. Researchers, educators, teachers and other cultural workers are tired of waiting to get on board the Wikiworld through their institutions, and are building their blogs and wikis and forming alliances globally with their peers and like-minded people. They are part of informal networks and "invisible colleges."
I already read the first chapter and scanned the rest of the book and it looks for me another - but pretty well grounded - attempt to locate the Wikimedia phenomena to wider historical and social context. The book is here:
http://wikiworld.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/6/
The authors are scholars from the University of Tampere in Finland: philosopher and professor of adult education. I am trying to get them to come over to the Wikimania 2008.
- Teemu
----------------------------------------------- Teemu Leinonen http://www.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi University of Art and Design Helsinki -----------------------------------------------
interesting, but i'm ?confused - where's the wiki version?
Teemu Leinonen wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may find this new book interesting:
"Wikiworld - Political Economy and the Promise of Participatory Media"
From the book:
"A case in point in the collaborative turn is Wikipedia and its sister projects like Wikiversity, which in our estimate will soon confront nationally governed educational systems. Researchers, educators, teachers and other cultural workers are tired of waiting to get on board the Wikiworld through their institutions, and are building their blogs and wikis and forming alliances globally with their peers and like-minded people. They are part of informal networks and "invisible colleges."
I already read the first chapter and scanned the rest of the book and it looks for me another - but pretty well grounded - attempt to locate the Wikimedia phenomena to wider historical and social context. The book is here:
http://wikiworld.wordpress.com/2007/03/21/6/
The authors are scholars from the University of Tampere in Finland: philosopher and professor of adult education. I am trying to get them to come over to the Wikimania 2008.
- Teemu
Teemu Leinonen http://www.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi University of Art and Design Helsinki
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James Neill kirjoitti 19.3.2008 kello 17:24:
interesting, but i'm ?confused - where's the wiki version?
I guess it is the time to make the wiki version to the Wikibooks. Just do it :-)
I also assume, that the answer to the question why the book was not written on a Wikibooks is simply that the authors wanted to use tools they are familiar with, and also write the book on their own name. Sometimes this is eligible.
- Teemu
----------------------------------------------- Teemu Leinonen http://www.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi University of Art and Design Helsinki -----------------------------------------------
are there any pdf import tools?
Teemu Leinonen wrote:
James Neill kirjoitti 19.3.2008 kello 17:24:
interesting, but i'm ?confused - where's the wiki version?
I guess it is the time to make the wiki version to the Wikibooks. Just do it :-)
I also assume, that the answer to the question why the book was not written on a Wikibooks is simply that the authors wanted to use tools they are familiar with, and also write the book on their own name. Sometimes this is eligible.
- Teemu
Teemu Leinonen http://www.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi University of Art and Design Helsinki
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i noticed that the book in question doesn't have a license specificied, just "copyleft" which is not a license
any suggestions on how to approach such material in relation to wikising?
James Neill wrote:
are there any pdf import tools?
Teemu Leinonen wrote:
James Neill kirjoitti 19.3.2008 kello 17:24:
interesting, but i'm ?confused - where's the wiki version?
I guess it is the time to make the wiki version to the Wikibooks. Just do it :-)
I also assume, that the answer to the question why the book was not written on a Wikibooks is simply that the authors wanted to use tools they are familiar with, and also write the book on their own name. Sometimes this is eligible.
- Teemu
Teemu Leinonen http://www.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi University of Art and Design Helsinki
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well, i dumped it here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiworld
doesn't look good - cut and pasted from pdf into OO Writer, then used the MW export
but it might at least encourage the authors to make a more usable format available
James Neill wrote:
are there any pdf import tools?
Teemu Leinonen wrote:
James Neill kirjoitti 19.3.2008 kello 17:24:
interesting, but i'm ?confused - where's the wiki version?
I guess it is the time to make the wiki version to the Wikibooks. Just do it :-)
I also assume, that the answer to the question why the book was not written on a Wikibooks is simply that the authors wanted to use tools they are familiar with, and also write the book on their own name. Sometimes this is eligible.
- Teemu
Teemu Leinonen http://www.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi University of Art and Design Helsinki
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as i kind of suspected, license is dodgy, and it sounds like it doesn't belong on wikibooks
Wikiworld http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiworld
I've nominated http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiworld&diff=1142617&oldid=1142586 this for speedy deletion for two reasons.
1. The licensing is questionable; we'd need specific permission information forwarded to OTRS http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS to accept this work 2. As a previously-published work, it belongs at Wikisource http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/ anyways
I didn't delete it outright because I wanted to give you a chance to keep a copy of the wikitext if you wanted to put it over at Wikisource (don't forget to clarify the licensing!).
James Neill wrote:
well, i dumped it here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiworld
doesn't look good - cut and pasted from pdf into OO Writer, then used the MW export
but it might at least encourage the authors to make a more usable format available
James Neill wrote:
are there any pdf import tools?
Teemu Leinonen wrote:
James Neill kirjoitti 19.3.2008 kello 17:24:
interesting, but i'm ?confused - where's the wiki version?
I guess it is the time to make the wiki version to the Wikibooks. Just do it :-)
I also assume, that the answer to the question why the book was not written on a Wikibooks is simply that the authors wanted to use tools they are familiar with, and also write the book on their own name. Sometimes this is eligible.
- Teemu
Teemu Leinonen http://www.uiah.fi/~tleinone/ +358 50 351 6796 Media Lab http://mlab.uiah.fi University of Art and Design Helsinki
Wikiversity-l mailing list Wikiversity-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:20 AM, James Neill lists@wilderdom.com wrote:
well, i dumped it here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiworld
doesn't look good - cut and pasted from pdf into OO Writer, then used the MW export
but it might at least encourage the authors to make a more usable format available
Since it was deleted from Wikibooks, I've put James' wikified version at http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Wikiworld as a temporary holding place where the wikitext can be improved. If it's GFDL, then it could later be moved to Wikisource if they want it. However, I'd suggest that Wikibooks is a more appropriate place for it if the intention is for others to work on and improve the text since Wikisource should only hold the original text and isn't a place it can be modified.
Angela
Hi,
I'll ask the authors to clarify the license.
From the authors copyleft approach, I assume the GFLD is fine and the book can be located to the Wikibooks for people to work on it. I think in the wikified Wikibooks version there could be then a link to the PDF, too.
To whom the authors should write their statement about the license?
- Teemu
Angela kirjoitti 20.3.2008 kello 21:49:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:20 AM, James Neill lists@wilderdom.com wrote:
well, i dumped it here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiworld
doesn't look good - cut and pasted from pdf into OO Writer, then used the MW export
but it might at least encourage the authors to make a more usable format available
Since it was deleted from Wikibooks, I've put James' wikified version at http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Wikiworld as a temporary holding place where the wikitext can be improved. If it's GFDL, then it could later be moved to Wikisource if they want it. However, I'd suggest that Wikibooks is a more appropriate place for it if the intention is for others to work on and improve the text since Wikisource should only hold the original text and isn't a place it can be modified.
Angela
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On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Teemu Leinonen teemu.leinonen@taik.fi wrote:
Hi,
I'll ask the authors to clarify the license.
From the authors copyleft approach, I assume the GFLD is fine and the book can be located to the Wikibooks for people to work on it. I think in the wikified Wikibooks version there could be then a link to the PDF, too.
To whom the authors should write their statement about the license?
They can write it on their blog, or on the PDF, or they can email permissions-en at wikimedia dot org.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission#Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries is the official format to use when sending permission to that address.
Angela
FYI I also tried this PDF to wiki converter (http://www.send2wiki.com/index.php/Send2Wiki_Documentation#PDF_to_HTML_Conve...), but results were not as good as with cut and paste via the OO Writer converter.
if curious u can c results here: http://www.send2wiki.com/index.php/Suoranta_vaden_wikiworld.pdf_%28applicati...
Angela wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:20 AM, James Neill lists@wilderdom.com wrote:
well, i dumped it here: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiworld
doesn't look good - cut and pasted from pdf into OO Writer, then used the MW export
but it might at least encourage the authors to make a more usable format available
Since it was deleted from Wikibooks, I've put James' wikified version at http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Wikiworld as a temporary holding place where the wikitext can be improved. If it's GFDL, then it could later be moved to Wikisource if they want it. However, I'd suggest that Wikibooks is a more appropriate place for it if the intention is for others to work on and improve the text since Wikisource should only hold the original text and isn't a place it can be modified.
Angela
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