Sorry for cross-posting, but the original message wasn't sent to the
above lists although it affects the users at those projects just as
much. :-)
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From: Elisabeth Anderl <n9502784(a)students.meduniwien.ac.at>
Date: Nov 26, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: [Wikiquote-l] set pagemoves to autoconfirmed - please read and comment
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Dear Wikimedians, please read and comment the following plea, which is
of common interest through WMF-projects:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metapub#set_pagemoves_to_autoconfirmed_-_ple…
Many thanks in advance,
best regards,
Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)
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hi mi name is carlos i from dominincan republic.i wannaknow about your
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All -
we've set up a blog to accompany our annual fundraiser. The headlines
from the blog will be featured in the sitenotice:
http://whygive.wikimedia.org/
I'd like to invite you to submit posts to the blog. These posts can be
provocative, and should give compelling reasons to support the
Wikimedia Foundation. You can draft posts here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2007/Why_Give_blog
Posts will be selected by a number of people: Cary Bass (our Volunteer
Coordinator), Sandy Ordonez (our Communications Manager), Sue Gardner
(Special Advisor to the Board), and myself. We'll probably try to have
a new post every 2-3 days at least.
Once again, the point of these posts is first and foremost to invite
the general public to donate. :-) Please submit stories in this
general spirit.
If you are willing to act as a moderator for comments to vet out spam
& trolling, please contact Cary Bass at <cbass AT wikimedia DOT org>.
For now, this is an experiment and as such, only in English. We will
set up blogs in other languages if this one has a measurable impact on
our fundraising.
Thanks for any and all help!
Erik Möller
Member of the Board
Bonjour
Je m'excuse de parler en français, mais on anglais est très mauvais.
Pour la wikiversité francophone, le point important est de proposer des
cours. On ne veut surtout pas aller dans le travail de wikibooks qui propose
des livres pédagogique.
Pour faire ce travail, il y a déjà une organisation de la présentation avec
l'utilisation des noms d'espaces de travail.
La wikiversité se décomposé dans un système identique à ce que l'on peut voir
dans une université en France : La wikiversité est découpé en faculté,
chaque faculté en département ( certains départements étant commun à 2
facultés car parlant d'une même connaissance).
Chaque département propose des cours selon un thème ou un niveau.
et chaque cours se compose de plusieurs chapitre, annexe et exercices
permettant au lecteurs d'apprendre.
un système de navigateur permet d'aller d'un chapitre au suivant, et aussi au
précédent afin de pouvoir relire un paragraphe.
Dans les chapitres il y a possibilité d'aller faire des exercices afin de
savoir si les connaissance acquises le sont bien.
Chaque leçons à des référents, c'est à dires des personnes qui, soit on écrit
ou aider à écrire la leçons, soit sont des personnes qui ont des
connaissances qui peuvent aider d'autres personnes.
Les pages de discussion des chapitres sont là pour que les utilisateurs
puissent poser des questions ( cela évite de spammer les pages de discussion
des utilisateurs qui sont référents). Le but étant que la question qui a été
posée viennent modifier le chapitre afin de l'améliorer.
Avec ce système, wikibooks et wikiversités sont totalement indépendant, sauf,
pour le moment, avec tout ce qui est lié à l'informatique, car on remarque
que, dès que l'on fait une leçons dans la wikiversité, on se retrouve
directement avec un livre de type pédagogiques, donc c'est pour wikibooks
--
Cordialement, David Crochet
http://motardsdefrance.online.fr (Site de rendez-vous des motards de France)
http://david.crochet.online.fr (Road-Book à moto)
http://crochet.david.online.fr (Cours de génie électrique et
d'électrotechnique)
Hi,
is there anyone in the Bay Area (in or around San Fancisco) who would
be prepared to facilitate a workshop/discussion session about
Wikiversity in Stanford? There's an open source group there who are
interested in such a session - if you could reply on or off list, I
can give you details.
Thanks,
Cormac
Hi,
I want to raise an important (and very frequently-asked) question: How
do Wikiversity and Wikibooks relate to eachother (and within this: do
they overlap unnecessarily, and how might they be aligned most
productively)? I'm asking this as an *international* question (ie as
it relates to present and future projects), although perhaps, in
asking this, we could ask: in what ways might different language
communities deal differently with these definitions and distinctions?
(And yes, I also realise this is several questions, and that there are
a few more to come. :-))
The context of this is that there are some Wikibooks communities that
seem to want to hold off on creating a new Wikiversity, as well as
there being some people who want to clarify the distinction between
the projects before setting up new ones. On the former, in some cases
(or at least, in the Dutch, from what I gather), this has had the
practical outcome that these communities have extended the scope of
the Wikibooks project from what other Wikibooks projects are doing -
in hosting lesson plans and pedagogic guidance for using these
textbooks in class. (This latter seems to be more suited to
Wikiversity in my mind at least - is this also the same for you,
and/or is it a problem?) But the larger question is: can different
languages define differently what Wikiversity and Wikibooks do, or can
a Wikiversity be effectively subsumed in Wikibooks (or even the other
way around)? Put another way: what does Wikiversity do (or intend to
do) that Wikibooks can never do, as presently defined?
So, the 'international' dimension here comes down to whether it is
possible - or useful - to define how Wikiversity and Wikibooks would
relate _in_all_languages. If it is possible and/or useful, then it
might be timely to actively construct such a map of how the two
projects relate (eg how much overlap is ok, what the scope of each is,
and how they can share resources etc), and set out a framework for how
different languages can be set up, defined and organised around
various activities.
I'd really welcome any comments on anything here that sparks your
imagination, or that speaks to your experience.
Thanks,
Cormac
[[:v:en:User:Cormaggio]]
Nov 13, 2007 Cormac Lawler wrote:
>"How do Wikiversity and Wikibooks relate to eachother (and within this: do
>they overlap unnecessarily, and how might they be aligned most productively)?"
The English language Wikiversity and English language Wikibooks were
estabolished by the Foundation as sister projects with distinct
missions. I believe that they could have been "aligned most
productively" by leaving Wikiversity within the Wikibooks project.
However, Wikibooks was given a narrow mission and the participants who
started developing the "Wikiversity-type elements" were told to go
away. Now that they are sister projects with distinct missions it is
simple to hyper-link Wikiversity learning resources and textbooks at
Wikibooks. For example, learning projects at Wikiversity link to
textbooks hosted by Wikibooks, just as they link to articles at
Wikipedia.
Wikiversity participants can help develop textbooks located at
Wikibooks. However, speaking only for myself, I find the strict
Wikibooks policy against original research to be crippling to my
efforts to develop learning resources. In my view, a reliable and
useful textbook requires significant input from experts who know the
subject and have experience interacting with the intended readers of
the textbook in a learning environment that allows the textbook
creators to intimately know the target audience of learners. A good
textbook is the result of original research; it involves secondary
research and insightful original synthesis of previously published
ideas. Also, I think some aspects conventional textbooks are artifacts
of publishing on paper and not optimal for a wiki-format learning
resource. I'm interested in experimenting with new formats for
learning resources that mix internet-mediated social interactivity
with more traditional textbook-like content. In short, I am more
comfortable working to developing learning resources under the rules
of Wikiversity than under the more restrictive rules of Wikibooks.
It does not surprise me to hear that the Dutch Wikibooks has extended
their scope in order to host lesson plans and pedagogic guidance for
using textbooks. I feel that giving Wikibooks a narrow mission modeled
on the narrow Wikipedia mission was a decision made by executive fiat
and without proper input from people in the Wikimedia community who
had experience develop textbooks and other learning resources. Is
this a problem? I would not be surprised if some language-specific
Wikibooks communities continue, for many years to come, to sometimes
decide that Wikibooks should have a broader mission that makes room
for Wikiversity-type elements. Yes, this could turn out to be a
problem. For example, after a couple years, Jimbo could hear about
what is going on and "lower the boom" on the Dutch Wikibooks. If
several years have gone by with development of Wikiversity-type
elements in the Dutch Wikibooks, it will be very painful to have to
surgically remove those elements.
Teemu Leinonen wrote:
>"Wikiversity should give-up the "content production"
>and focus on hosting communities of learners who want to do things together."
The fact is, there are many types of "content" (learning resources)
that are only allowed in Wikiversity. This is why Wikiversity was
kicked out of Wikibooks. Wikiversity will always be a place to develop
educational content that is not welcome at other Wikimedia Foundation
wikis. If the idea (Wikiversity should give-up the content production)
is to broaden the mission of Wikibooks so as to include the content
that is now only allowed at Wikiversity, it seems like that should
have been the choice made years ago. It is incredibly destructive when
people who do not do the hard work of developing the wiki content feel
free to play ping pong by executive decree...."move this content all
to Wikiversity...oh, no, that's not right, now move it all back to
Wikibooks". Everything is just a link away in the wikisphere. Please,
let's stop shuffling the deck chairs and just do the real work that
needs to be done. I agree that there should be special emphasis on
the development of collaborative learning communities at Wikiversity.
Having learning communities and developing learning resources are not
two distinct things.
Leigh Blackall wrote:
>"With the likes of Wikiversity, and even Wikibooks, the brief is far less
>clear and the structure of content or point of entry is even less clear."
Jimbo's said it well at Wikimania 2006: "..... the idea here is to
also host learning communities, so people who are actually trying to
learn, actually have a place to come and interact and help each other
figure out how to learn things. We're also going to be hosting and
fostering research into how these kinds of things can be used more
effectively."
Most people are indoctrinated into conventional learning as done at
conventional schools. Wikiversity is a platform for experimenting with
things like using wiki and other new technologies to make possible
collaborative "learn by doing" projects. Yes, at Wikiversity the
"structure of content" is much more open to innovation and
experimentation than at Wikipedia. That might make some people
nervous. I find it liberating and the path to our future.
See also: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:JWSchmidt/Blog/13_November_2007
-John Schmidt
(user JWSchmidt)
My name is Antonio Cisternino and I am Assistant Professor at University of Pisa, I like Wikiversity initiative and I will try to spare enough time of my busy life to contribute with my coursework material in Computer Science.
-- Antonio
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Dipartimento di Informatica
Università di Pisa
Largo B. Pontecorvo, 3
56127 Pisa
Italy
Phone: +39 050 2213149
Fax: +39 050 2212726
e-mail: cisterni(a)di.unipi.it<mailto:cisterni@di.unipi.it>