On Monday Dec 17, Sue Gardner and I gave a presentation at Stanford's
Open Source Lab about Wikimedia & the Wikiversity project. This was
also an opportunity to meet some Wikimedians and friends of Wikimedia,
including Luca de Alfaro, Philipp Birken, and Michael Dale.
You can view a video here:
http://blip.tv/file/551254
Best,
Erik
Hi,
Based on some discussions and the WV IRC-meeting I have tried to find people
to start up with Wikiversity-NL, within the Wikimedia-NL community, the
Wikibooks-NL community and the Wikipedia-NL community.
During these few weeks 3 persons have shown interest in starting a
Wikiversity, of which one had some preference for hosting WV within WB-NL
and the other two had no preference.
Conclusion: I don't see any reason to start a seperate WV in the Dutch
language at this point: let's wait another year. I will try to experiment
somewhat with WV within WB, but no promises. I will follow the developments
at the existing WV: once WV has grown-up: meaning knows what to do and
thrives, there might be more interest. One of the comments was that
WV-idea/mission/vision is too vague.
Sorry,
Kind regards
Peter van Londen
>From Peter van Londen:
>is MediaWiki the best way to
>work with Wikiversity or might Moodle be a better choice?
MediaWiki is our starting point. Some of us have been trying to get a Wikiversity "sandbox server" where we can experiment with additional software. Maybe someday.....
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Hi all,
In advance of the IRC meeting on Saturday (UTC) [1], I'm raising the
issue of the Greek Wikiversity to give some background to the current
situation [2].
According to [2] (and from personal correspondences), GerardM, a
member of the language subcommittee [3], "is concerned about a lack of
structure and maturity in the Wikiversity project" and is therefore
reluctant to authorise a new Greek Wikiversity. This acknowledgement
of a lacking of structure is attributed to me, from my recent talk at
the Wikimedia Nederland conference in Amsterdam. However, I'd first of
all like to clear up what I said - which was that there are *questions
that Wikiversity needs to address*, amongst which its ongoing
relationship with Wikibooks. I explicitly acknowledged that
Wikiversity was set up as an experiment, and was in the process of
finding out how best to organise its resources, both internally, and
with respect to other projects, particularly Wikibooks. I also
acknowledged that my understanding of Wikiversity is hugely biased
towards the English Wikiversity, and that there were different ways of
organising materials and activities on other language Wikiversities.
And, from the day as a whole, I observed that there is still some
confusion between Wikiversity and Wikibooks, and that some Wikibooks
communities (at least the Dutch) are incorporating non-textbook
pedagogic material in Wikibooks in order to avoid "splitting" the
existing Wikibooks community.
There's nothing much new in the above - we have always known that
there is a subtle line between Wikiversity and Wikibooks, as well as
being multiple perspectives on what either project should include.
*However*, I would like to point out that these are issues that the
Wikiversity, Wikibooks, and other communities will be working out as
we develop - and, as has been made clear in our previous discussions
on this list, will be negotiated in the context of each language
community *on its/their own terms*.
Moving onto the current situation with the Greek Wikiversity, this is
in the hands of the language subcommittee, seemingly being stalled by
GerardM. However, as I've raised with the language subcommittee, and
according to [3], the subcommittee is asked to assess the "feasibility
of new language wikis" - which is *not* the 'feasibility of the
*project*'. In my correspondence with the language subcommittee,
GerardM has indicated that it might be problematic to authorise new
language projects when questions still remain about the project as a
whole - to which I have responded that this is outside the scope of
the language subcommittee (also acknowledged by Pathoschild, a member
of the langcom [4]), and asked GerardM to state clearly how his
concerns relate to the scope of the subcommittee. I received no reply;
I asked again two days ago, and am still awaiting response. (I've also
made clear that my comments can be posted in public [4] - which hasn't
been done yet.)
So, if the language subcommittee remains stalled on this issue (and
whether or not GerardM has a veto, I don't know), then it would
possibly be a matter for the board. (The special projects committee -
of which I am a member, and which authorised the language subcommittee
- has not responded to this issue, and is effectively dead in any
case.) However, I would like the language subcommittee to make at
least some response to what I've raised, so I would ask for some more
time before bringing it up with the board (if that is necessary - and
I hope it won't be). In the meantime, we can use the IRC meeting to
discuss whether the Wikiversity community at large thinks it is a good
idea to set up new language projects (one of GerardM's proposals), as
well as further the discussion about Wikibooks and Wikiversity across
different languages.
Thanks,
Cormac
[1] http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:IRC_meeting:What_is_Wikiversit…
[2] http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pathoschild/Status/wv-el
[3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special_projects_subcommittees/Languages
[4] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special_projects_subcommittees/Languages/Arc…
FYI :-)
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From: Henrik Bennetsen <bennetsen(a)gmail.com>
Date: Dec 7, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Invitation: OS Lab Workshop #2 - Wikiversity, Wikipedia, and
Participatory Learning
To: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>, Sue Gardner
<sgardner(a)wikimedia.org>, Cormac Lawler <cormaggio(a)gmail.com>
Please forward this email to all interested parties at Stanford and beyond
Stanford Open Source Lab would like to invite all interested parties
to our second workshop entitled: Wikiversity, Wikipedia, and
Participatory Learning. As our invited speakers we are thrilled to
welcome Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia
Foundation as well as Erik Möller, a member of the Board of Trustees
of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Their talk abstract: In 2006, the Wikimedia Foundation , a non-profit
organization which operates Wikipedia, launched the Wikiversity
project, a free wiki-based platform for online learning and research.
First experiments in Wikiversity show the emergence of new forms of
self-organized learning and teaching. After transforming the nature of
the encyclopedia, could wikis also change the learning process itself?
How can the tension between a desire for quality educational resources
and a desire for the widest possible participation be resolved?
The speakers have generously accepted that this be a true workshop, so
we hope that you will bring your questions and comments and help make
this an interesting and lively event.
When: Monday, December 17th at 3pm
Where: The Learning Theater on the ground floor of Wallenberg Hall
(Bldg. 160), Stanford University More practical stuff:
The event is free and open to all interested parties.
Feel very free to forward this email or blog about this.
No need to RSVP but you can write Henrik Bennetsen - hbe(a)stanford.edu
if you have any questions.
You can check out the video from our first workshop with Aaron Swartz
speaking about the Open Library.
We hope to see you there,
Stanford Open Source Lab
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About the Lab:
The lab was founded in November 2007 by a group of people from across
Stanford who feel that openness matter.
We have a wiki (Currently you need a SUNetID to login in, this will be changed)
We have a mailing list and you are welcome to join us or read the open archives
The meeting will be this Saturday, 8 December 2007 at 23:UTC in the internet relay chat (IRC, freenode network) channel #wikiversity.
see: http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:IRC_meeting:What_is_Wikiversit…
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From: John Schmidt [mailto: johnwschmidt(a)excite.com]
To: wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 10:13:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Wikiversity-l] IRC meeting: What is Wikiversity?
I've been told that for some languages, people are moving away from the idea that all Wikiversity-type stuff has to be taken out of Wikibooks and moved into a corresponding Wikiversity website. This seems to be leading some people to ask, "Why bother making new Wikiversity websites if we can do everything in Wikibooks?" In particular, the request for a Greek language Wikiversity has been "conditionally approved" but is now held up, apparently because some people do not think that a Greek Wikiversity is needed is its mission can actually be done at Greek Wikibooks.Personally, I find this situation to be confusing. Maybe we can start sorting this out by having a meeting on IRC (see link below). I also encourage those who will not be ably to participate in the meeting to make comments either in this email list or on the talk page at the beta.wikiversity.org page linked to
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I've been told that for some languages, people are moving away from the idea that all Wikiversity-type stuff has to be taken out of Wikibooks and moved into a corresponding Wikiversity website. This seems to be leading some people to ask, "Why bother making new Wikiversity websites if we can do everything in Wikibooks?" In particular, the request for a Greek language Wikiversity has been "conditionally approved" but is now held up, apparently because some people do not think that a Greek Wikiversity is needed is its mission can actually be done at Greek Wikibooks.
Personally, I find this situation to be confusing. Maybe we can start sorting this out by having a meeting on IRC (see link below). I also encourage those who will not be ably to participate in the meeting to make comments either in this email list or on the talk page at the beta.wikiversity.org page linked to below.
Links:
http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:IRC_meeting:What_is_Wikiversit…http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#IRC_meeting:_What_is_…
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