Well, Cormaggio has not edited Wikipedia for more than a year. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cormaggio&a…
He has not edited Wikiversity for almost two years. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cormaggio
Sebmol is listed as a manager of this list as well. He has not edited Wikiversity since March 2011, when he noted he was inactive and was willing to be removed as a bureaucrat. http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Community_Review/Ab…
Sebmol has been active on de.wikipedia and meta, this year. Not much!
I'm so excited I can't wait for Now.
From: Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77(a)gmail.com>
To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>; Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him
not sure why he could not succeed
afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do something about this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio
Erkan
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not working properly.
Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is being obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come with every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the specific problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO FIX THIS!
A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening. (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail from wikiversity-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration unless I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't provide adequate information.
To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of commands through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the subscribed email address. The page is at https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options" button.
I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is not needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option there (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a subscriber or not.
If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing address.
However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's mails, from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also be getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set up automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly watching this list and ready to fix problems.
From: Shujen Chang <i(a)blue.cat>
To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want to receive any letters from the mail list again.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and
> willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not
> working properly.
>
>
> Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is being
> obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything
> about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come with
> every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the specific
> problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO
> FIX THIS!
>
>
> A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account
> for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is
> the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The
> complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening.
> (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case
> with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
>
>
> STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say
> how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail
> from wikiversity-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the
> subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
>
> If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know
> more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a
> complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration unless
> I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive
> subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't
> provide adequate information.
>
>
> To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of commands
> through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the
> subscribed email address. The page is at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
>
> On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering
> my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options"
> button.
>
> I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a
> subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the
> unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a
> confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I
> presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is not
> needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button
> and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the
> member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option there
> (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
>
> So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed
> an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a
> confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will
> unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous
> subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a
> subscriber or not.
>
> If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is
> not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means
> that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing
> address.
>
> However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list
> will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's mails,
> from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a
> moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also be
> getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set up
> automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender
> control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
>
>
> Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be
> able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you
> know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and
> then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that
> this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
>
> The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
>
> Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly watching
> this list and ready to fix problems.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Shujen Chang <i(a)blue.cat>
> >To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
> >
> >
> >You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want
> to?receive?any letters from the mail list again.
> >
> >
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:44:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>
> To: Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77(a)gmail.com>, Mailing list for Wikiversity
> <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
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>
> Well, Cormaggio has not edited Wikipedia for more than a year.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cormaggio&a…
>
> He has not edited Wikiversity for almost two years.
> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cormaggio.
>
> Cormaggio has been inactive everywhere in the WMF, at least through this
> unified log-in.
>
>
> Sebmol is listed as a manager of this list as well. He has not edited
> Wikiversity since March 2011, when he noted he was inactive and was willing
> to be removed as a bureaucrat.
> http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Community_Review/Ab… been active on de. wikipedia, this year. Not much.
>
> It's obvious. We don't have an active list moderator. The complaining
> account is indeed listed as a member receiving the digest.
>
> If we get another echo from Harry, I'm going to take an action that might
> resolve the problem for him. I'm going to request a password restoration
> message in his name. If he responds to it, as he has to other messages, we
> might be able to fix this for him. Unorthodox, yes, but it will not do any
> actual harm to him, since he wants to be unsubscribed to all WMF lists,
> apparently. It risks revealing his password. Note that anyone could do this
> for any of us.... that's how the listserve works. I'm not using any special
> privilege. The password is mailed to the subscription address, and if the
> user responds to mails without looking at them, he's in danger anyway.
>
> Of course, if he starts paying attention, he can indeed fix this himself,
> the listserv seems to be working normally.
>
> I already requested unsubscription in his name. If he follows the
> instructions in that mail, he'll be unsubscribed and we won't hear from him
> again.
>
> Meanwhile, the lack of list administration is a possible problem, this
> particular manifestation is relatively minor. We are probably losing
> subscribers over this, but only a list manager can tell, if they can access
> the logs.
>
> ?
>
> I'd act to fix this, on-wiki, but ... I 'm still blocked from almost a
> year ago, the unblock template on my Talk page has no response, in spite of
> some request from the community, ignored. WV is, in many respects, dead.
> Such community as still exists stopped paying attention to central
> administrative matters, and so the technocrats rule, but they also lose
> interest, so in some areas, there is nobody ruling or acting. I basically
> gave up, given lack of purposeful community response supporting what I was
> doing. A majority isn't enough! When there is a lack of consensus on
> specific actions, admins have free reign, and policy doesn't matter. I was
> blocked for defending long-standing community policy on blocking. I'd just
> been desysopped outside of policy, as an "emergency" on meta. The emergency
> was that I'd acted, according to policy, reversing after discussion (once,
> not wheel-warring) a block of another user made by the 'crat who then
> requested the
> desysop, and, when a user changed the policy abusively, I requested
> custodian attention and was blocked for not other offense than civilly
> requesting attention.
>
>
> And the block proved that the policy wasn't worth the paper it wasn't
> written on. The real policy: a 'crat can do whatever he likes, can block
> anyone he doesn't like. No consequences, and no appeal is of any use. And
> the 'crat doesn't need to be, at all, an active WV user, he can just pop in
> whenever.
>
>
> I don't know where requests to add moderators are handled (meta?).
>
>
>
> From: Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77(a)gmail.com>
> >To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>; Mailing list for
> Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:22 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
> >
> >
> >Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him
> >not sure why he could not succeed
> >
> >afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do
> something about this
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio
> >
> >
> >
> >Erkan
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and
> willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not
> working properly.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is
> being obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do
> anything about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that
> come with every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing
> the specific problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO
> SOMETHING TO FIX THIS!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an
> account for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If
> that is the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is.
> The complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening.
> (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case
> with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say
> how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail
> from wikiversity-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the
> subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
> >>
> >>
> >>If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know
> more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a
> complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration unless
> I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive
> subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't
> provide adequate information.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of
> commands through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter
> the subscribed email address. The page is at
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
> >>
> >>
> >>On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering
> my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options"
> button.
> >>
> >>
> >>I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a
> subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the
> unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a
> confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I
> presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is not
> needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button
> and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the
> member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option there
> (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
> >>
> >>
> >>So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then
> pressed an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send
> him a confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully,
> will unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous
> subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a
> subscriber or not.
> >>
> >>
> >>If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is
> not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means
> that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing
> address.
> >>
> >>
> >>However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list
> will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's mails,
> from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a
> moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also be
> getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set up
> automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender
> control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be
> able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you
> know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and
> then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that
> this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
> >>
> >>
> >>The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
> >>
> >>
> >>Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly
> watching this list and ready to fix problems.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>________________________________
> >>> From: Shujen Chang <i(a)blue.cat>
> >>>To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want
> to?receive?any letters from the mail list again.
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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> >
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> >
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:57:55 +0200
> From: Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77(a)gmail.com>
> To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>
> Cc: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
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> ibMKZw7Q(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Abd,
>
> since you can not edit:
> I've posted a request in the colloquium:
>
> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#WV:_Mailing_list_prob…
>
> Erkan
> P.S. God save all people who survive
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Well, Cormaggio has not edited Wikipedia for more than a year.
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cormaggio&a…
> >
> > He has not edited Wikiversity for almost two years.
> > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cormaggio.
> >
> > Cormaggio has been inactive everywhere in the WMF, at least through this
> > unified log-in.
> >
> > Sebmol is listed as a manager of this list as well. He has not edited
> > Wikiversity since March 2011, when he noted he was inactive and was
> willing
> > to be removed as a bureaucrat.
> >
> http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Community_Review/Ab…
> > Sebmol has been active on de. wikipedia, this year. Not much.
> >
> > It's obvious. We don't have an active list moderator. The complaining
> > account is indeed listed as a member receiving the digest.
> >
> > If we get another echo from Harry, I'm going to take an action that might
> > resolve the problem for him. I'm going to request a password restoration
> > message in his name. If he responds to it, as he has to other messages,
> we
> > might be able to fix this for him. Unorthodox, yes, but it will not do
> any
> > actual harm to him, since he wants to be unsubscribed to all WMF lists,
> > apparently. It risks revealing his password. Note that anyone could do
> this
> > for any of us.... that's how the listserve works. I'm not using any
> special
> > privilege. The password is mailed to the subscription address, and if the
> > user responds to mails without looking at them, he's in danger anyway.
> >
> > Of course, if he starts paying attention, he can indeed fix this himself,
> > the listserv seems to be working normally.
> >
> > I already requested unsubscription in his name. If he follows the
> > instructions in that mail, he'll be unsubscribed and we won't hear from
> him
> > again.
> >
> > Meanwhile, the lack of list administration is a possible problem, this
> > particular manifestation is relatively minor. We are probably losing
> > subscribers over this, but only a list manager can tell, if they can
> access
> > the logs.
> >
> > I'd act to fix this, on-wiki, but ... I 'm still blocked from almost a
> > year ago, the unblock template on my Talk page has no response, in spite
> of
> > some request from the community, ignored. WV is, in many respects, dead.
> > Such community as still exists stopped paying attention to central
> > administrative matters, and so the technocrats rule, but they also lose
> > interest, so in some areas, there is nobody ruling or acting. I basically
> > gave up, given lack of purposeful community response supporting what I
> was
> > doing. A majority isn't enough! When there is a lack of consensus on
> > specific actions, admins have free reign, and policy doesn't matter. I
> was
> > blocked for defending long-standing community policy on blocking. I'd
> just
> > been desysopped outside of policy, as an "emergency" on meta. The
> emergency
> > was that I'd acted, according to policy, reversing after discussion
> (once,
> > not wheel-warring) a block of another user made by the 'crat who then
> > requested the desysop, and, when a user changed the policy abusively, I
> > requested custodian attention and was blocked for not other offense than
> > civilly requesting attention.
> >
> > And the block proved that the policy wasn't worth the paper it wasn't
> > written on. The real policy: a 'crat can do whatever he likes, can block
> > anyone he doesn't like. No consequences, and no appeal is of any use. And
> > the 'crat doesn't need to be, at all, an active WV user, he can just pop
> in
> > whenever.
> >
> > I don't know where requests to add moderators are handled (meta?).
> >
> > *From:* Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77(a)gmail.com>
> > *To:* Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>; Mailing list for
> > Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:22 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
> >
> > Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him
> > not sure why he could not succeed
> >
> > afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do
> > something about this
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio
> >
> > Erkan
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and
> > willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not
> > working properly.
> >
> > Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is
> being
> > obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything
> > about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come
> with
> > every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the
> specific
> > problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO
> > FIX THIS!
> >
> > A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account
> > for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is
> > the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The
> > complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening.
> > (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case
> > with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
> >
> > STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say
> > how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail
> > from wikiversity-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the
> > subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
> >
> > If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know
> > more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a
> > complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration
> unless
> > I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive
> > subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't
> > provide adequate information.
> >
> > To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of
> commands
> > through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the
> > subscribed email address. The page is at
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
> >
> > On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering
> > my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options"
> > button.
> >
> > I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a
> > subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the
> > unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a
> > confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I
> > presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is
> not
> > needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button
> > and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the
> > member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option
> there
> > (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
> >
> > So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed
> > an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a
> > confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will
> > unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous
> > subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a
> > subscriber or not.
> >
> > If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is
> > not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means
> > that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing
> > address.
> >
> > However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list
> > will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's
> mails,
> > from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a
> > moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also
> be
> > getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set
> up
> > automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender
> > control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
> >
> > Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be
> > able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you
> > know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and
> > then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that
> > this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
> >
> > The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
> >
> > Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly
> watching
> > this list and ready to fix problems.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Shujen Chang <i(a)blue.cat>
> > *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
> >
> > You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want to receive
> any
> > letters from the mail list again.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
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> >
> >
> >
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> > gnu/linux user #500092
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> >
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 15:59:01 -0400
> From: Harry Leitner <harryleitner(a)gmail.com>
> To: wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 10
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> STOP
> On 30 Sep 2012 15:58, <wikiversity-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
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> > 1. Re: Management of this mailing list (Erkan Yilmaz)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:57:55 +0200
> > From: Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77(a)gmail.com>
> > To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAD3HTdfuA8-6PY2yfv3KY7HpSyYOX44D-o_so00xi=
> > ibMKZw7Q(a)mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi Abd,
> >
> > since you can not edit:
> > I've posted a request in the colloquium:
> >
> >
> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Colloquium#WV:_Mailing_list_prob…
> >
> > Erkan
> > P.S. God save all people who survive
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Well, Cormaggio has not edited Wikipedia for more than a year.
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cormaggio&a…
> > >
> > > He has not edited Wikiversity for almost two years.
> > > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cormaggio.
> > >
> > > Cormaggio has been inactive everywhere in the WMF, at least through
> this
> > > unified log-in.
> > >
> > > Sebmol is listed as a manager of this list as well. He has not edited
> > > Wikiversity since March 2011, when he noted he was inactive and was
> > willing
> > > to be removed as a bureaucrat.
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Community_Review/Ab…
> > > Sebmol has been active on de. wikipedia, this year. Not much.
> > >
> > > It's obvious. We don't have an active list moderator. The complaining
> > > account is indeed listed as a member receiving the digest.
> > >
> > > If we get another echo from Harry, I'm going to take an action that
> might
> > > resolve the problem for him. I'm going to request a password
> restoration
> > > message in his name. If he responds to it, as he has to other messages,
> > we
> > > might be able to fix this for him. Unorthodox, yes, but it will not do
> > any
> > > actual harm to him, since he wants to be unsubscribed to all WMF lists,
> > > apparently. It risks revealing his password. Note that anyone could do
> > this
> > > for any of us.... that's how the listserve works. I'm not using any
> > special
> > > privilege. The password is mailed to the subscription address, and if
> the
> > > user responds to mails without looking at them, he's in danger anyway.
> > >
> > > Of course, if he starts paying attention, he can indeed fix this
> himself,
> > > the listserv seems to be working normally.
> > >
> > > I already requested unsubscription in his name. If he follows the
> > > instructions in that mail, he'll be unsubscribed and we won't hear from
> > him
> > > again.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, the lack of list administration is a possible problem, this
> > > particular manifestation is relatively minor. We are probably losing
> > > subscribers over this, but only a list manager can tell, if they can
> > access
> > > the logs.
> > >
> > > I'd act to fix this, on-wiki, but ... I 'm still blocked from almost a
> > > year ago, the unblock template on my Talk page has no response, in
> spite
> > of
> > > some request from the community, ignored. WV is, in many respects,
> dead.
> > > Such community as still exists stopped paying attention to central
> > > administrative matters, and so the technocrats rule, but they also lose
> > > interest, so in some areas, there is nobody ruling or acting. I
> basically
> > > gave up, given lack of purposeful community response supporting what I
> > was
> > > doing. A majority isn't enough! When there is a lack of consensus on
> > > specific actions, admins have free reign, and policy doesn't matter. I
> > was
> > > blocked for defending long-standing community policy on blocking. I'd
> > just
> > > been desysopped outside of policy, as an "emergency" on meta. The
> > emergency
> > > was that I'd acted, according to policy, reversing after discussion
> > (once,
> > > not wheel-warring) a block of another user made by the 'crat who then
> > > requested the desysop, and, when a user changed the policy abusively, I
> > > requested custodian attention and was blocked for not other offense
> than
> > > civilly requesting attention.
> > >
> > > And the block proved that the policy wasn't worth the paper it wasn't
> > > written on. The real policy: a 'crat can do whatever he likes, can
> block
> > > anyone he doesn't like. No consequences, and no appeal is of any use.
> And
> > > the 'crat doesn't need to be, at all, an active WV user, he can just
> pop
> > in
> > > whenever.
> > >
> > > I don't know where requests to add moderators are handled (meta?).
> > >
> > > *From:* Erkan Yilmaz <erkan77(a)gmail.com>
> > > *To:* Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>; Mailing list for
> > > Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:22 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
> > >
> > > Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him
> > > not sure why he could not succeed
> > >
> > > afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do
> > > something about this
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio
> > >
> > > Erkan
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <
> abdlomax(a)yahoo.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and
> > > willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not
> > > working properly.
> > >
> > > Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is
> > being
> > > obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do
> anything
> > > about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come
> > with
> > > every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the
> > specific
> > > problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING
> TO
> > > FIX THIS!
> > >
> > > A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an
> account
> > > for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that
> is
> > > the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The
> > > complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening.
> > > (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a
> case
> > > with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
> > >
> > > STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do
> say
> > > how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a
> mail
> > > from wikiversity-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the
> > > subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
> > >
> > > If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then
> know
> > > more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to
> file a
> > > complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration
> > unless
> > > I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive
> > > subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't
> > > provide adequate information.
> > >
> > > To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of
> > commands
> > > through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the
> > > subscribed email address. The page is at
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
> > >
> > > On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after
> entering
> > > my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit
> options"
> > > button.
> > >
> > > I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a
> > > subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the
> > > unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a
> > > confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I
> > > presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is
> > not
> > > needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder
> button
> > > and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to
> the
> > > member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option
> > there
> > > (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
> > >
> > > So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then
> pressed
> > > an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him
> a
> > > confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will
> > > unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous
> > > subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a
> > > subscriber or not.
> > >
> > > If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is
> > > not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then,
> means
> > > that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing
> > > address.
> > >
> > > However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list
> > > will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's
> > mails,
> > > from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If
> a
> > > moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd
> also
> > be
> > > getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator
> set
> > up
> > > automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender
> > > control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
> > >
> > > Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be
> > > able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you
> > > know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm,
> and
> > > then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that
> > > this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
> > >
> > > The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
> > >
> > > Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly
> > watching
> > > this list and ready to fix problems.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From:* Shujen Chang <i(a)blue.cat>
> > > *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
> > >
> > > You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want to receive
> > any
> > > letters from the mail list again.
> > >
> > >
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> > > personal blog http://IaskQuestions.com <http://iaskquestions.com/>
> > > gnu/linux user #500092
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Hope any bureaucrats on Beta Wikiversity can review my
> custodianship request (Shujen Chang)
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> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:06:41 +0800
> From: Shujen Chang <i(a)blue.cat>
> To: wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikiversity-l] Hope any bureaucrats on Beta Wikiversity can
> review my custodianship request
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> http://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Candidates_for_Custodianship/S…
> It is over 7 days, and seems consensus reached. Please review it, thanks!
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> Sincerely,
> Shujen Chang
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