STOP SENDING ME EMAILS STOP STOP STOP
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Today's Topics:
1. Management of this mailing list (Abd ulRahman Lomax)
2. Re: Management of this mailing list (Erkan Yilmaz)
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>
To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list
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The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and
willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not
working properly.
Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is being
obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything
about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come with
every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the specific
problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO
FIX THIS!
A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account
for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is
the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The
complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening.
(Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case
with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.)
STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say
how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail
from wikiversity-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org and it looks like the
subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription.
If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know
more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a
complaint with the overall
wikimedia.org listserver administration unless
I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive
subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't
provide adequate information.
To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of commands
through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the
subscribed email address. The page is at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l
On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering
my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options"
button.
I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a
subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the
unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a
confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I
presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is not
needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button
and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the
member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option there
(since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.)
So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed
an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a
confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will
unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous
subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a
subscriber or not.
If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is
not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means
that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing
address.
However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list
will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's mails,
from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a
moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also be
getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set up
automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender
control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.)
Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be
able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you
know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and
then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that
this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't.
The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted.
Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly watching
this list and ready to fix problems.
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From: Shujen Chang <i(a)blue.cat>
To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4
You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want
to?receive?any letters
from the mail list again.