With the required support, and after the basic pages were prepared on Meta, I have set up a Serbian edition of Wikinews at:
For this edition I've asked one of the most active proponents of Serbian Wikinews, User:Dcabrilo, to make the announcement in the Serbian community instead of doing it myself.
The next editions are likely to be Catalan and Russian.
All best,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
With the required support, and after the basic pages were prepared on Meta, I have set up a Serbian edition of Wikinews at:
http://sr.wikinews.org/For this edition I've asked one of the most active proponents of Serbian Wikinews, User:Dcabrilo, to make the announcement in the Serbian community instead of doing it myself.
I continue to be very skeptical of the existing process for setting up new language editions. The problems with Serbian Wikinews seem quite clear to me, especially having just visited Serbia and Croatia.
The process provides insufficient review, and I propose that we immediately halt the creation of new wikinews editions until such time as we significantly improve the process.
--Jimbo
Jimmy:
I continue to be very skeptical of the existing process for setting up new language editions. The problems with Serbian Wikinews seem quite clear to me, especially having just visited Serbia and Croatia.
Would you be so kind to enlighten the rest of us?
The process provides insufficient review, and I propose that we immediately halt the creation of new wikinews editions until such time as we significantly improve the process.
Perhaps you could elaborate first on * what kind of review you have in mind * what evidence there is that the process so far hasn't had the intended result, namely, to measure whether there is going to be sufficient interest in the new language edition * why this only applies to Wikinews, and not to Wikibooks or Wikiquote, for example.
Erik
(Taking a late night break from law homework)
Are we news source or are we a reference source about current topics? It seems that is the fundamental question we need to answer when considering implementing a strict review policy on Wikinews.
I'm not sure a tighter review process would help Wikinews as it currently exists - and is probably counter to its current mission. We need to remind ourselves that a news product is not the same as reference product.
The main problem with review processes in wiki is that they are lengthy - usually taking days (or weeks) before a consensus is found - or sought.
The most important aspect that differentiates news from other forms of information reporting is its timeliness and the fleeting nature of its value (The "new" in news) -- professionally, peer review is usually reserved for scholarly publications that appear as monthly or quarterly reference journals - which definitely are usually of very high quality but also definitely are not "news" per se.
Now if you want Wikinews to become a reference like other wikimedia products, then we should install a tight review process.
But I must point out in my opinion, that change will drive away most journalists from the project since they prefer to write news, not reference texts.
Now - back to my studies.. Be back after finals (end of June)
-- David Speakman http://www.DavidSpeakman.com 501 Moorpark Way #83 Mountain View CA 94041
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Erik Moeller Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:05 AM To: Wikinews mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Serbian Wikinews set up
Jimmy:
I continue to be very skeptical of the existing process for
setting up
new language editions. The problems with Serbian Wikinews
seem quite
clear to me, especially having just visited Serbia and Croatia.
Would you be so kind to enlighten the rest of us?
The process provides insufficient review, and I propose that we immediately halt the creation of new wikinews editions
until such time
as we significantly improve the process.
Perhaps you could elaborate first on
- what kind of review you have in mind
- what evidence there is that the process so far hasn't had
the intended result, namely, to measure whether there is going to be sufficient interest in the new language edition
- why this only applies to Wikinews, and not to Wikibooks or
Wikiquote, for example.
Erik _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
After a brief e-mail discussion with the Board, we have agreed to a minor change to the language creation policy, namely that any new language will be announced 7 days in advance on wikinews-l and foundation-l to give people another chance to object. (In this particular case, the argument is about whether the Yugoslavian languages should be separate or not.)
All best,
Erik
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