Let's put it to a vote shall we?
Should a list moderator completely ban this "person"?
Ironic that he trots out Orwellian analogies. Particularly considering a substantial number of the 'topically appropriate' articles I've contributed to Wikinews.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.orgwrote:
Let's put it to a vote shall we?
Should a list moderator completely ban this "person"?
Ironic that he trots out Orwellian analogies. Particularly considering a substantial number of the 'topically appropriate' articles I've contributed to Wikinews.
He sounds barmy, so probably for the best.
--Majorly
To have friends who will treat you with kid gloves while attacking anyone who >dares to point out that you have no clothes.
Perhaps only really smart pople can see his clothes... -- - Bawolff Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of 85 million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight.
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
Let's put it to a vote shall we?
Should a list moderator completely ban this "person"?
Ironic that he trots out Orwellian analogies. Particularly considering a substantial number of the 'topically appropriate' articles I've contributed to Wikinews.
-- Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brian_McNeil Content of this message in no way represents the opinions or official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or any of its projects.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: wjhonson@aol.com To: brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:09:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews It was. You're a pig just like in Animal Farm. The community is created by everybody, but some people have more priveledge. You call in your friend to ban me, because you don't like my speech. That's exactly what you did. You banned my speech. You had someone put a muzzle on me. That is the society in which you've chosen to live. Suppress what you don't like, at the point of a gun. That's exactly what you did. Face it. You're Orwell's pig.
-----Original Message----- From: Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org To: wjhonson@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 17:47 -0500, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
So now the idea "might have merit", which is what I said from the
get-go, before I was beaten black and blue for a political gain, to
silence opposition voice, by the powerful against the helpless.
Nice community, created by police for police.
No. You're *trolling* AGAIN.
This is a meritocracy. Look the word up. I couldn't give a flying fuck
what you think of me, and nobody forced your messages through review to
pigeonhole whatever allegedly persecuted political minority you like to
think yourself a member of.
That was done because of the utter absurdity of how you were
'supposedly' contributing to the discussion.
Look at the links you were pointed at, actually read the content of
them.
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Let's just allow a cooling off period.
I don't think any further discussion on-list is necessary concerning the free advertising proposal, if it must be discussed, a discussion on-wiki might be more appropriate since this is an en.WN issue.
Taunting the user on-list (especially when he/she can't reply) probably accomplishes very little.
-N. -- Nathan Reed nathanreed@gmail.com
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.orgwrote:
Let's put it to a vote shall we?
Should a list moderator completely ban this "person"?
Ironic that he trots out Orwellian analogies. Particularly considering a substantial number of the 'topically appropriate' articles I've contributed to Wikinews.
-- Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brian_McNeil Content of this message in no way represents the opinions or official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or any of its projects.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: wjhonson@aol.com To: brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:09:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews It was. You're a pig just like in Animal Farm. The community is created by everybody, but some people have more priveledge. You call in your friend to ban me, because you don't like my speech. That's exactly what you did. You banned my speech. You had someone put a muzzle on me. That is the society in which you've chosen to live. Suppress what you don't like, at the point of a gun. That's exactly what you did. Face it. You're Orwell's pig.
-----Original Message----- From: Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org To: wjhonson@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:02 pm Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 17:47 -0500, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
So now the idea "might have merit", which is what I said from the
get-go, before I was beaten black and blue for a political gain, to
silence opposition voice, by the powerful against the helpless.
Nice community, created by police for police.
No. You're *trolling* AGAIN.
This is a meritocracy. Look the word up. I couldn't give a flying fuck
what you think of me, and nobody forced your messages through review to
pigeonhole whatever allegedly persecuted political minority you like to
think yourself a member of.
That was done because of the utter absurdity of how you were
'supposedly' contributing to the discussion.
Look at the links you were pointed at, actually read the content of
them.
--
Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brian_McNeil
Content of this message in no way represents the opinions or official
position of the Wikimedia Foundation or any of its projects.
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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 17:33 -0600, Nathan Reed wrote:
Let's just allow a cooling off period.
I don't think any further discussion on-list is necessary concerning the free advertising proposal, if it must be discussed, a discussion on-wiki might be more appropriate since this is an en.WN issue.
Taunting the user on-list (especially when he/she can't reply) probably accomplishes very little.
Nathan, these are emails sent directly to me - not to the list. This "person" does not deserve called a user; they're a troll.
Don't believe me? Look on foundation-l.
You will find a mostly-civil attempt to set community against community. And, he is using the very words of Wikinewsies to get others to clamour for the project to be shut down.
He has likely already emailed various other potential demographies that might be inclined to engage in a flame-fest he wishes to sit back and enjoy. I've seen it before. Countless times. And performed to varying skill levels. He's a. Not very good at it, and b. Failed to crosspost it to nntp://alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
There is absolutely no reason why discussion on Milos' advertising idea can't be carried further here. Milos is looking at that for Serbian WN, so discussing on enwn isn't appropriate.
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
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Brian, please calm down. I am very sorry because you treated this idea as an insult and I am very sorry because I didn't finish my email today (before conversation escalated) because I've found "with:public" on Google Wave (btw, another, this time not problematic idea for Wikinews implementation: emitting news via Google Wave).
Also, two of you did exactly what did I ask not to do: to start an ideological discussion. (I may imagine how this idea would pass on foundation-l, where it could become a month long ideological battle.) Nobody is willing to implement something which has strong opposition inside of the community, even it may be completely OK from the formal side.
And there are some more questions to discuss. But, it is too late for me. I promise I won't play [a lot] with Wave tomorrow and I'll write the answer here :)
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 01:02 +0100, Milos Rancic wrote:
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
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Brian, please calm down. I am very sorry because you treated this idea as an insult and I am very sorry because I didn't finish my email today (before conversation escalated) because I've found "with:public" on Google Wave (btw, another, this time not problematic idea for Wikinews implementation: emitting news via Google Wave).
Milos, I'm calmed now - ran out of fuel for the flamethrower. It was a troll causing the problem. When you're caught up on the full list you should see that.
Also, two of you did exactly what did I ask not to do: to start an ideological discussion. (I may imagine how this idea would pass on foundation-l, where it could become a month long ideological battle.) Nobody is willing to implement something which has strong opposition inside of the community, even it may be completely OK from the formal side.
It is, and it is not, an ideological issue. I was quick to jump to why it was not possible within project scope or WMF mission; as well as some serious legal issues and liability you could be landed with.
And there are some more questions to discuss. But, it is too late for me. I promise I won't play [a lot] with Wave tomorrow and I'll write the answer here :)
Read the list carefully before you do so. Nobody wants to see ye-olde Wikipedia "right to fork [off]" arguments rehashed here. A fork-via-dump of a Wikinews project is useless without the contributors.
I'm all in favour of working to help commercial reuse of Wikinews content happen. I got a copy of the print edition semi-angrily waved at me by a press attendee when I spoke at Wikimania and I was asked, "why aren't you doing more with this?" We can. I'd like to see it happen - I think everyone would.
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