I concur. My vote is to continue with the three month block, and to make sure that he doesn't do anything like this again. This is his last chance in my book. If I see him doing something, I hope that I have the community support for a perma-block.
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---- Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@openvms-rocks.com wrote:
The issue after a 3-month block is not do we want to extend it. I would hope Ed has got his shit together by then and won't test the limits anymore. The issue will be has he evaded it?
We all know the temptation to fix this detail here and things like that. Personally I don't mind if Ed is doing that. It is the comments and other contentious material that concerns me.
The exchange of emails with Ed is where he asserts "testing the limits" with homophobic and confrontational statements. *Once* I am prepared to accept he has "tested the community" and found them egalitarian equal-opportunists. However any further divisive and inflammatory statements and I will perm. block.
Brian
-----Original Message----- From: bawolff@gmail.com [mailto:bawolff@gmail.com] On Behalf Of bawolff Sent: 26 October 2007 22:06 To: The Fearow Cc: wikinewsenarbcom@googlegroups.com; messedrocker@gmail.com; cute24minbflo@yahoo.com; jacques.divol@laposte.net; haykinson@gmail.com; wm-thunderhead@charter.net; bcanderton@gmail.com; brian.mcneil@openvms-rocks.com; davidshankbone@gmail.com; michael.laurent@gmail.com; nzgabriel@gmail.com; fellowwikinews@gmail.com; ironiridis@gmail.com Subject: Re: Ed brown's explanation for his actions
I disagree with unblocking him because he wants to be blocked (whether its reverse physcolgy or not, I think the community and him need some time away from each other at a minimum). I think a 3 months block is a necessary minimum.
The email I used to contact him is his old email, which i have had for quite a while (I think from before he joined the arbitration committee.) Anyways, by his manner of speaking on the email, I'm convinced its him.
Here is my idea for how to deal with
1.Block for 3 months to begin with.
2.At the end of 3 months, hold straw pole in community for how we want to deal with this (block for three more months (or forever), unblock unconditionally, unblock with code of conduct or other conditions, etc).
I this is not really the point in time to be discussing conditions.
-bawolff
On 10/26/07, The Fearow fearow00@hotmail.com wrote:
I agree. Although I think we should immediately unblock him, since in his email he specifically said he wanted to be blocked to continue with life. Although that doesnt make sense, that would make unblocking a punishment, whereas blocking would be doing what he wants. Secondly, does anyone have any older email addresses or RL contact that could be used to make sure
that
all his passwords werent hacked?
-Matt
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 19:03:00 -0700 From: cute24minbflo@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Ed brown's explanation for his actions To: ironiridis@gmail.com; bawolff+wn@gmail.com CC: WikinewsENArbcom@googlegroups.com; messedrocker@gmail.com; cute24minbflo@yahoo.com;
jacques.divol@laposte.net;
haykinson@gmail.com; wm-thunderhead@charter.net; bcanderton@gmail.com; brian.mcneil@openvms-rocks.com; davidshankbone@gmail.com; michael.laurent@gmail.com; nzgabriel@gmail.com; FellowWikiNews@gmail.com; fearow00@hotmail.com
(Reply below after a NOTE: Please send all Wikinews related mails, in the future, to: jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org. I am in the process of shutting down this account)
IF this is a test, then I am Rick James Bitch...bah...He knew what he was doing and it matters not what his agenda was or if he had one. What does matter is 1) He was aware of all his actions and the results that would
come
form them 2) he did this to himself and no one else. 3) If eloquence acted the same way I would respond in the same way.
I could care less about his mental state and frankly we have no right to make any assessment on his behavior because we don't actually know him.
None
of us, as far as I know, never seen him in real life so for us to say he
is
senile, or just crazy is disrespectful, regardless of how he treated anybody. I say that because he is blocked, and his pages protected. He is silent and will be until his block is up. If he does not behave, then we wipe out his existence on Wikinews. I do not condone his actions in the least, but we have done what we can up to this point and insulting him or his personality through an unprofessional opinion, it not only makes
things
worse and makes us look bad, but also prevents any hope of ArbCom
working...
Setting that aside, if Ed didn't care about the fact that we blocked all
his
IPs and Users, then he would leave it at that and wait for his block to be up. No he didn't apologize and he won't, but I have been around Wikinews long enough to know that his "gang" of buddies, aka Neutralizer, and international are not around anymore so all he has is to occasionally go
on
a rampage...no its not good, but as I see it most of our current admins
have
been blocked a time or two for attacks and such...
Plain and simple: he straightens up, makes USEFUL and productive edits, stops with his hisst fits, or get banned....it cannot be any easier than that.
Jason
Christopher Harrington ironiridis@gmail.com wrote: Are you kidding me?! I'm offended by his sheer gall. Insensitive or not, I am officially calling mental illness here.
What's with the "my account has not been hijacked that I know of"...
almost
as if he didn't understand that he's done something wrong.
This is absolutely unacceptable, and shows premeditation. If he needs a three month break, let's give him six, so we're sure he's had plenty of
time
to mow his lawn in the spring, too.
This pisses me off. I really wanted to believe that he wasn't cognizant of his misconduct. He's on my shit list now. >:(
-ironiridis
On 10/25/07, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote: This message is being forwarded to the wikinews admins (those whom I have an email address for) + David (since his involvement with these events, and he is almost an admin). I think i only sent to active admins. If I sent to you and you haven't looked at wikinews in 6 months and don't care, sorry - please ignore (or if you have an opinion, feel free to voice it).
Basically Ed says that he did what he did as a test. Personally I don't think we should change our opinions on blocking him based on this (test or not, its still being an idiot. This is WN:POINT to an extreme ), but I felt I should forward it to everyone.
My opinion is we should block for three months. and that at this time figure out as a community if we wish to forgive his "test", or if we want to continue blocking.
Note: I responded to his email saying that I'm glad he wasn't crazy, I've forwarded to all the admins, I disagree with his actions, if you're a wikiholic, try putting it in your hosts file.
If you wish to talk about this by email, I recommend hitting reply all, so we all get responses.
I received this email from ed. On 10/24/07, Ed Brown <edbrown@msn.com > wrote:
After a quick scan of the administrative action alerts page, it appears
to
me that en.wikinews has accurately identified me with the questionable
edits
and remarks. Nobody has taken over my account that I am aware of. There
may
some mimic activity by anons, but I edit from and IP that does not
change
very often.
This is a difficult mail to write. Like SVTCobra, who took a break to
work
on some real life issues, I too have some very real time issues to
resolve.
I have been on the brink of being irresponsible to those. My health is
good,
and I am definitely neither senile nor suffering from a personality disorder. I am suffering from an inability to not contribute. How weird
I
would get myself blocked to fix that<!>
Laughing! Anyway, I have to take it light heartedly because when Amgine
jams
out possibly because the pressure becomes to much, Neut gets the kick
for
intellectual arrogance, Ilya fears getting into the fray because any
misstep
may be a disaster to that person, and I cannot get 3 faucets installed
that
I bought back in January, well some thing has got to change.
Yes, I bought those faucets 10 months ago for two bathrooms and a
kitchen,
and they have gone uninstalled. I could call a plumber, but I don't need one. I need for me to get off my butt and do it. So the question I have asked myself is this, am I blaming en.wkinews for me not installing the fixtures? Yes
So the lover of wikinews that I am, turned to the community itself and performed a test. Homophobic? No I am not, I turned to the community to
see
how it would respond. In a strange way, I am proud of the response,
because
it proves that it is working. I've always been a 'just do it' kind of person. I need a 3-month block, but not perma banned.
With regard to my accreditation, I would never cross over the line of
what
would be my best and honest effort at reporting, that is how much I care about news and the site. If my accreditation gets taken away, hopefully
I
can earn it back if I feel I need it.
My own objection to my actions: you performed a test at wikinews that
was
hurtful to others? Yes I did. The lowest common denominator has always
been
a fascination of mine. An open process like wikinews will (in its
present
form) be open to the lowest common denominator. Explore, explore,
explore.
I
did that, in self interest, and my interests have been served now that I
am
blocked.
Now I have a donation to make, and gads what a mess under my kitchen
sink!
I trust you bawolff to do with this mail as you see fit.
----- Original Message ----- From: bawolff To: edbrown@msn.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Wikinews stuff
Recently there has been lots of comments coming from your account on the english wikinews, that is quite frankly beneath you and not consistant with your edits in previous times. Homophobic personal attacks, using socks, etc. I just wanted to email you to make sure that it is actually you talking, and that your account has not been taken over.
If this is actually you, I want to suggest that you take a step back, and look whats happening, bearing in mind everyone always has their own part to play. To be blunt, what your currently doing is really not helping anything other then making you look like an absolute idiot
Sincerely, Bawolff
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- Brian
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