I think that we need such place for a couple of reasons: * Meta is "too Meta" for our needs. We need a meta site which would be regulated by Wikinewsians. * All coordination will be moved to that site: this includes, but it is not limited to: ** Organizing bot work. ** Organizing work related to cooperation: translations, contacts and similar. ** Accreditation process should be moved there. * In the future, we should make Template: namespace at that site which would be used by all Wikinews editions. * We may generate there a set of documents which would help to the new editions how to start a successful edition. BTW, as a LangCom member, a number of times I mentioned that not just localization of the messages should be enough for the project approval. Wikinews edition is the most problematic for approval because it needs constant work. So, as a LangCom member, I would like to see defined rules by Wikinewsians for new edition approval. * Similarly to beta.wikiversity.org, Wikinews meta site may be used instead of Incubator: It would be much better if the process of creation of Wikinews edition would be monitored by Wikinewsians, not by contributors with just Wikipedian background. (While it is good enough formally to have contributors with just Wikipedian background for all other projects, Wikinews has very different needs than one repository of knowledge.) * Optionally, we may use something like wiki.wikinewsie.org for that purpose; but it has a number of limits.
Honestly, anything that has ever been started on meta for wikinews, has tended to fade into oblivian (for example WORTNET) I think a large part of that is since its not in local RC, no one sees it. I don't think a wikinews specific meta is going to change that. -- -bawolff
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Milos Rancicmillosh@gmail.com wrote:
I think that we need such place for a couple of reasons:
- Meta is "too Meta" for our needs. We need a meta site which would be
regulated by Wikinewsians.
- All coordination will be moved to that site: this includes, but it
is not limited to: ** Organizing bot work. ** Organizing work related to cooperation: translations, contacts and similar. ** Accreditation process should be moved there.
- In the future, we should make Template: namespace at that site which
would be used by all Wikinews editions.
- We may generate there a set of documents which would help to the new
editions how to start a successful edition. BTW, as a LangCom member, a number of times I mentioned that not just localization of the messages should be enough for the project approval. Wikinews edition is the most problematic for approval because it needs constant work. So, as a LangCom member, I would like to see defined rules by Wikinewsians for new edition approval.
- Similarly to beta.wikiversity.org, Wikinews meta site may be used
instead of Incubator: It would be much better if the process of creation of Wikinews edition would be monitored by Wikinewsians, not by contributors with just Wikipedian background. (While it is good enough formally to have contributors with just Wikipedian background for all other projects, Wikinews has very different needs than one repository of knowledge.)
- Optionally, we may use something like wiki.wikinewsie.org for that
purpose; but it has a number of limits.
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
I'd have to agree with Bawolff's general sentiment. I don't really see much use for a "Meta Wikinews". We're not going to be actively sharing templates, because everyone needs their own translations anyways. We've got very few bots going on WN, and very little new bot work. As for moving accreditation, I'm sorry but I don't think that makes sense - why would I vote for a reporter from ja.wn - I've never read their articles and I don't know anything about their work.
Like every other WMF project, each Wikinews does things its own way. The formats might be fairly similar for articles (simply because we copy each other), but in the end each group is very different in the way their articles get put out. We all know how locked down the process is at en.wn.
I'm not to rain on your parade, so I'm sorry If I sound a harsh.
-Jon
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 17:14, bawolff <bawolff+wn@gmail.combawolff%2Bwn@gmail.com
wrote:
Honestly, anything that has ever been started on meta for wikinews, has tended to fade into oblivian (for example WORTNET) I think a large part of that is since its not in local RC, no one sees it. I don't think a wikinews specific meta is going to change that. -- -bawolff
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Milos Rancicmillosh@gmail.com wrote:
I think that we need such place for a couple of reasons:
- Meta is "too Meta" for our needs. We need a meta site which would be
regulated by Wikinewsians.
- All coordination will be moved to that site: this includes, but it
is not limited to: ** Organizing bot work. ** Organizing work related to cooperation: translations, contacts and
similar.
** Accreditation process should be moved there.
- In the future, we should make Template: namespace at that site which
would be used by all Wikinews editions.
- We may generate there a set of documents which would help to the new
editions how to start a successful edition. BTW, as a LangCom member, a number of times I mentioned that not just localization of the messages should be enough for the project approval. Wikinews edition is the most problematic for approval because it needs constant work. So, as a LangCom member, I would like to see defined rules by Wikinewsians for new edition approval.
- Similarly to beta.wikiversity.org, Wikinews meta site may be used
instead of Incubator: It would be much better if the process of creation of Wikinews edition would be monitored by Wikinewsians, not by contributors with just Wikipedian background. (While it is good enough formally to have contributors with just Wikipedian background for all other projects, Wikinews has very different needs than one repository of knowledge.)
- Optionally, we may use something like wiki.wikinewsie.org for that
purpose; but it has a number of limits.
Wikinews-l mailing list Wikinews-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
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