Le 6 avr. 05, à 09:58, Anthere a écrit :

--- "jacques.divol" jacques.divol@laposte.net wrote:

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i'll try to check and untie the knots, its .... weird the way people had act on the matter wikipedia vs wikinews.

Many french feel very upsets of being forced to accept wikinews from 'foreigners', with rules and ways of making the stuff not very familliars to them. (it's their feeling)

Sad.

but I understand very well their point of view on the mater.

many thinks that wikinews is outside wikipedia "way of life" so reject the project (no editor freedom,...)

They forget that If the creator of wikinews, the living WIKI God himself, said something about the way people may write articles, may use a workflow or templates and so on, it's just ideas, draft framework, draft blue print, ... it's not LAW, it's just a ... 'what do you think of that' .

i think, am I wrong Erik ??? don't think

I think that polish, french, spanish, italian, ... wikinews DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW editorial way from ENGLISH or GERMAN editions. -They could find they own ways,

MORE I think that wikinews DONT HAVE TO FOLLOW editorial way from Professional NewsWriters, journalists. -They could find they own ways.

I entirely agree with you Jacques.

However, when you claim that neutrality is not a universal concept, is purely an american concept, should not influence the way of writing in a french speaking website. And that lastly, the current NPOV might even be illegal in France... Sorry, but I find this a bit worrying.

While there are rules which should absolutely be local, other principles should not. I am currently a bit perplex.

Ant

Thanks Ant,

-Yes I claim, read some Jack Vance, Ursula Le Guin (...) Sci-Fi books, you'll understand that Universality Concept is not Universal at all, it's a concept no more.

-yes, NPOV is not so legal in France, but don't worry. -Each one is responsible in France (more or less ok)

For example : Nazi party is ILLEGAL in France, as well supporting this kind of ideas, its not the case in the USA (first Amendment), and so on...

The worst in fact in france is about copyright and the stuff author rights... , but you already know i hope It's a problem for all wiki sub-domain: so for wikinews:fr it is states that all the writing is PUBLIC DOMAIN. ... other wise you need a contract, something writen that the author leave all his (her) rights upon the 'work'.

(it's complexe when money(or possible virtual futur value) is involved . you know what I mean, could kill friendship,familly and love...), french government wants it's share too...(taxes,...) and when it's FREE no taxes !

jacques

sorry for my free way of writing, I am not so easy in English ((ok best than most french people) and it's hell when i speak !