Okay. I can bring this up with appropriate people, but I want input here first.
Wikinews needs to be bringing people in to read our stories, and the way I see some people (who are on this list) doing so is by posting to twitter and Facebook.
Many sites have a set of social sharing links at the bottom of an article. Is there anything stopping us from doing the same?
First possible objection - requires embedding of a link/webbug that lets them see who reads an article. Different from "who posts an article" by clicking on the 'social bookmark' button.
Second - can we per [[WN:FU]] justify hosting their logos locally?
Points to note:
Can we do what the BBC do? If you add one of their stories to Facebook the pop-up window allows to select from all images on the article page.
Brian McNeil
The picture selection is done through Facebook, and (generally) works for any page that you may add.
#Terin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.orgwrote:
Okay… I can bring this up with appropriate people, but I want input here first.
Wikinews needs to be bringing people in to read our stories, and the way I see some people (who are on this list) doing so is by posting to twitter and Facebook.
Many sites have a set of social sharing links at the bottom of an article. Is there anything stopping us from doing the same?
First possible objection – requires embedding of a link/webbug that lets them see who reads an article. Different from “who posts an article” by clicking on the ‘social bookmark’ button.
Second – can we per [[WN:FU]] justify hosting their logos locally?
Points to note:
Can we do what the BBC do? If you add one of their stories to Facebook the pop-up window allows to select from all images on the article page.
Brian McNeil
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http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShareThis might be useful. -- -bawolff
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Terin Stock terin.stock@wikinewsie.org wrote:
The picture selection is done through Facebook, and (generally) works for any page that you may add.
#Terin
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
Okay… I can bring this up with appropriate people, but I want input here first.
Wikinews needs to be bringing people in to read our stories, and the way I see some people (who are on this list) doing so is by posting to twitter and Facebook.
Many sites have a set of social sharing links at the bottom of an article. Is there anything stopping us from doing the same?
First possible objection – requires embedding of a link/webbug that lets them see who reads an article. Different from “who posts an article” by clicking on the ‘social bookmark’ button.
Second – can we per [[WN:FU]] justify hosting their logos locally?
Points to note:
Can we do what the BBC do? If you add one of their stories to Facebook the pop-up window allows to select from all images on the article page.
Brian McNeil
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On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShareThis might be useful.
ShareThis looks good. I don't think that there's an extension for it, but Add This http://www.addthis.com/ has always been useful for me (it also gives you nifty stats, iirc).
I think this is a great idea and definitely be something to include. Personally, I love using sites like these and they would definitely help get exposure. :-) (digg, delicious, as well as links to twitter and facebook).
btw, i remember there was a water cooler discussion on this a while back somewhere in the archives. It might have other extensions/ideas we could use. -bawolff
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, bawolff bawolff+wn@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ShareThis might be useful.
ShareThis looks good. I don't think that there's an extension for it, but Add This http://www.addthis.com/ has always been useful for me (it also gives you nifty stats, iirc).
I think this is a great idea and definitely be something to include. Personally, I love using sites like these and they would definitely help get exposure. :-) (digg, delicious, as well as links to twitter and facebook).
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On 2009-05-28 13:24:43 +0100, "Brian McNeil" brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org said:
Okay. I can bring this up with appropriate people, but I want input here first.
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First possible objection - requires embedding of a link/webbug that lets them see who reads an article. Different from "who posts an article" by clicking on the 'social bookmark' button.
Second - can we per [[WN:FU]] justify hosting their logos locally?
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It might be difficult to select which networks to use, without showing bias or point of view.
If we stick to the top four or five social sites I don't think we can be accused of bias.
How's about I install this ShareThis extension on Wikinewsie and we have a play with that? I can whitelist a couple of pages to test it on so anyone can see them.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Joe Anderson It might be difficult to select which networks to use, without showing bias or point of view.
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I found some previous discussion on links to social networking sites...
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals/Archive/15#Digg. 2Freddit.2FNewsvine.2Fdel.icio.us.3F
There's the 'falls down' issue in there for Digg - that is, the "dig this article" button you generally see on sites lists the number of digs an article has. To get that you must pull data from Digg's servers and give away who is reading what page. A strict interpretation of the privacy policy would disallow that.
So, this means that for any extension we use all that can appear on a Wikinews article are passive links. Logos must be local, and the only time any information should go to the social bookmark site is when a user clicks on a link to make a bookmark.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 07:46 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
If we stick to the top four or five social sites I don't think we can be accused of bias.
How's about I install this ShareThis extension on Wikinewsie and we have a play with that? I can whitelist a couple of pages to test it on so anyone can see them.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Joe Anderson It might be difficult to select which networks to use, without showing bias or point of view.
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All on-wiki now
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Social_bookmarki ng_of_Wikinews_articles
Depending on how testing/playing with the extension goes I'd like to move this to a vote to support a bugzilla entry for the extension to be added.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 08:43 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
I found some previous discussion on links to social networking sites...
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals/Archive/15#Digg. 2Freddit.2FNewsvine.2Fdel.icio.us.3F
There's the 'falls down' issue in there for Digg - that is, the "dig this article" button you generally see on sites lists the number of digs an article has. To get that you must pull data from Digg's servers and give away who is reading what page. A strict interpretation of the privacy policy would disallow that.
So, this means that for any extension we use all that can appear on a Wikinews article are passive links. Logos must be local, and the only time any information should go to the social bookmark site is when a user clicks on a link to make a bookmark.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 07:46 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
If we stick to the top four or five social sites I don't think we can be accused of bias.
How's about I install this ShareThis extension on Wikinewsie and we have a play with that? I can whitelist a couple of pages to test it on so anyone can see them.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Joe Anderson It might be difficult to select which networks to use, without showing bias or point of view.
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Facebook sharing is apparently through editing the following url:
http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=about%3Ablank&t=
As far as I can tell the 'u' parameter is a full URL. The 't' parameter is the title your post on Facebook will have.
I think this should (a) specify the URL for the latest flagged revision of the article (the link we give Google news) and (b) be presented to the user in a pop-up window with no title (and auto-close when submitted to Facebook).
Brian.
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All on-wiki now
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Social_bookmarki ng_of_Wikinews_articles
Depending on how testing/playing with the extension goes I'd like to move this to a vote to support a bugzilla entry for the extension to be added.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 08:43 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
I found some previous discussion on links to social networking sites...
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals/Archive/15#Digg. 2Freddit.2FNewsvine.2Fdel.icio.us.3F
There's the 'falls down' issue in there for Digg - that is, the "dig this article" button you generally see on sites lists the number of digs an article has. To get that you must pull data from Digg's servers and give away who is reading what page. A strict interpretation of the privacy policy would disallow that.
So, this means that for any extension we use all that can appear on a Wikinews article are passive links. Logos must be local, and the only time any information should go to the social bookmark site is when a user clicks on a link to make a bookmark.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 07:46 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
If we stick to the top four or five social sites I don't think we can be accused of bias.
How's about I install this ShareThis extension on Wikinewsie and we have a play with that? I can whitelist a couple of pages to test it on so anyone can see them.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Joe Anderson It might be difficult to select which networks to use, without showing bias or point of view.
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Note the link we give to google news is a normal link, it just has the article number (curId) added on. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/American_console_sales_continue_to_decline_throu... goes exactly the same place as http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/American_console_sales_continue_to_decline_throu... Since [[American console sales continue to decline throughout April]] is article number 126807. the curid does not do anything to adjust the flagged revisions (it only comes into play if you use the wrong title - for example http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/This_is_clearly_not_the_video_game_article_but_g...
Since anons always view the stable version, I don't think we need any special links. After all we want them to see the flagged changes as well.
cheers, bawolff
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:25 AM, Brian McNeil brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org wrote:
Facebook sharing is apparently through editing the following url:
http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=about%3Ablank&t=
As far as I can tell the 'u' parameter is a full URL. The 't' parameter is the title your post on Facebook will have.
I think this should (a) specify the URL for the latest flagged revision of the article (the link we give Google news) and (b) be presented to the user in a pop-up window with no title (and auto-close when submitted to Facebook).
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 08:55 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
All on-wiki now
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Social_bookmarki ng_of_Wikinews_articles
Depending on how testing/playing with the extension goes I'd like to move this to a vote to support a bugzilla entry for the extension to be added.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 08:43 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
I found some previous discussion on links to social networking sites...
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals/Archive/15#Digg. 2Freddit.2FNewsvine.2Fdel.icio.us.3F
There's the 'falls down' issue in there for Digg - that is, the "dig this article" button you generally see on sites lists the number of digs an article has. To get that you must pull data from Digg's servers and give away who is reading what page. A strict interpretation of the privacy policy would disallow that.
So, this means that for any extension we use all that can appear on a Wikinews article are passive links. Logos must be local, and the only time any information should go to the social bookmark site is when a user clicks on a link to make a bookmark.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Brian McNeil Sent: 30 May 2009 07:46 To: 'Wikinews mailing list' Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Wikinews socialites
If we stick to the top four or five social sites I don't think we can be accused of bias.
How's about I install this ShareThis extension on Wikinewsie and we have a play with that? I can whitelist a couple of pages to test it on so anyone can see them.
Brian.
-----Original Message----- From: wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Joe Anderson It might be difficult to select which networks to use, without showing bias or point of view.
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